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Mod | | Forums66 Topics126,777 Posts1,039,270 Members48,100 | Most Online2,175 Jul 21st, 2025 | | | Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 | Spent considerable time searching the site and didn't see anything. Do any of the folks here have recommendations on who to use to rebuild original water pumps?
The original from my '64 292 gave it up back in April. Due to '63/'64 being an oddity of year that no one makes replacements for, I installed a '65+ water pump and just built an adapter for the bypass hose to work with the larger bypass output on the pump housing. The tolerances of this pump are off however and the pump wheel is slightly contacting the block (cylinder 1 inside wall) and slowly "self clearancing." Would like to get the original rebuilt and re-installed to fix that issue. | | | | Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 295 Professional procrastinator | Professional procrastinator Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 295 |
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| | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,986 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,986 | Same people rebuilt my '52 GMC pump that now has about 40,000 miles on it.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 | Arthur Gould Rebuilders Water pump and fuel pump rebuilders 5R Main Street Kings Park N.Y. 11754 (631) 269-0093 http://www.arthurgouldrebuilders.com/index.htmFlying Dutchman Water pump rebuilder and seller of antique water pumps for all makes and models 200 Davis Creek Road Services Europe and USA Selma, Oregon 97538 New Cadillac pumps in stock for 1949 to 1962 1-888-595-1110 outside US call 541-597-4057 ask for Tony http://www.fdrbp.com/Mike Gadaleto Remanufactured water pumps 1734 Arrowhead Drive Atco, New Jersey 08004 856-753-6788
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| | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 | A few minutes with a flap wheel on an angle grinder will solve the clearance problem on the current pump. (or maybe using a thicker gasket?) There's nothing particularly "precision" about spinning an impeller around inside a coolant passage. Jerry
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| | | | Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 | Thank you very much Gentlemen. I appreciate it. A few minutes with a flap wheel on an angle grinder will solve the clearance problem on the current pump. (or maybe using a thicker gasket?) There's nothing particularly "precision" about spinning an impeller around inside a coolant passage. Jerry Guess I hadn't given that much thought. Ill pull it back off and grind it down. Still aim to have the original rebuilt and on the shelf as a spare at the very least. | | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,715 Carburetion specialist | Carburetion specialist Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,715 | Then and Now Automotive in the Boston area. They have reproduced (in the USA, and decades ago) many of the different fuel pump and water pump castings. Not that a new casting is always available, but if it is, nice to know these folks will have quality ones of most of the common castings.
If I couldn't rebuild it myself, this is where it would go.
Jon. Good carburetion is fuelish hot airThe most expensive carburetor is the wrong one you attempt to modify. If you truly believe "one size fits all," try walking a mile in your spouse's shoes!The Carburetor Shop | | | | Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,094 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,094 | I have used this guy in the past. He does about 50-75 rebuilds of water pumps, alternators, generators and starters a week shipping all over the US. I just had him rebuild both a starter and generator for a 1947 Dodge. The cost for the rebuild of each was $175. I don't know what it would be for your water pump but the owner has been in business since 1971 and when he gets something from an older vehicle he likes to do the rebuild himself. Both of my recent rebuilds he turned around in 2 days. Hamilton's
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| | | | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,189 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,189 | I've had great success with 'Flying Dutchman'...been doing business with him for almost 20 years! He machines your housing to accept a modern seal.
Mike | | | | Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 770 Former BMW Rider | Former BMW Rider Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 770 | Here's another good option..... Hite Parts Exchange | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 | I know I gave three other suggestions for water pumps, including the flying Dutchman, but I'll give a nod to Then & Now Automotive. If they do as thorough and careful a job on water pumps as they did on my fuel pump, you can't go wrong.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy) 1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood (The Godfather) | 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif) | 1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe | 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 | Again, thank you to everyone who has responded.
Just a side thought; would it be worthwhile to sticky this thread or capture this info somewhere that is able to be quickly found or linked to for others in the future? As I have discovered, the only way to find good shops/companies that are still in the business of rebuilding these obsolete parts is via word of mouth, both on here and from some of my locals who have been in the classic community for decades. I am yet to have any luck searching the general internet for places who even know the vehicle said parts are for, let alone the specific part. | | | | Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,451 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,451 | HFfarms You might check impellar clearance to the pump casting (.010) feeler gauge,may need pressed on a little more. Support the shaft in your press. | | | | Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 | This sounds like the most logical approach. Is .01 pretty universal? Assuming the clearance is off (too large) could it lead to inefficiencies in the pump and thus an engine running slightly hotter? I've been troubleshooting a warm engine all season this year and not had luck. She's not running hot, not by any means, but not as cool as she used to with the old WP before it went out. No real issues until running partially loaded on a hot day (90*F +) when temps climb to around 205ish if I wind her out on the highway. | | | | Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 Crusing in the Passing Lane | Crusing in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 |
'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires. '47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle. '54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed. '55 GMC 370 w/270, 420 4 speed, grain, dump bed truck from ND. Works OK.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 | 205 isn't really that hot.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy) 1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood (The Godfather) | 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif) | 1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe | 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 146 | I agree that it isn't getting "hot" but it is running warmer than previously. 205 is ballparked. Im guessing temp is between 200-210 somewhere. Warm enough to make me nervous.
Last spring I grossed around 24k lb total weight and rolling at highway speed, she maintained 190ish on an 80*F day without issue, which is right where I like it for my trucks. Fast forward to this spring and the new WP installed and unloaded she runs slightly warmer, and will creep toward the "hot" range on the gauge on a hot and humid day. So no, not overheating, but also not running cool where she should be.
I plan to flush the radiator with acid this winter and try a new thermostat, just wondering if the WP is inefficient. | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 | First, I would verify the actual temperature at the water outlet with an infrared thermometer. I'd also plumb in a temporary gauge to the sending unit and see what the temp actually is. Unless of course you already have aftermarket gauge on the truck and are not going by the original instrument panel gauge.
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| | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,988 Sir Searchalot | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,988 | The impeller should be "marking" exactly where to grind the wall. You have everything else figured out/modified/adapted. Not a good idea to stay with an unobtainable pump when you can use an available one. They do wear out fairly often. This final step will cost $0.00
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