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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | After sitting too long with lines disconnected at the dual reservoir master cylinder w/o using, it seems the MC is ignoring the plunger. The pedal goes to the floor. It will bleed some fluid from the front and rear reservoirs but the pedal won't firm up. It just goes to the floor.
Check valve or something else stuck? Time for new MC? Just keep bleeding?
Thanks. 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 | Try pulling the MC and bench bleeding it. Mount the MC in a vise, plug the ports, fill the reservoir, and gently work the piston in and out about 1/2" or less until bubbles stop showing up in the reservoirs. Then reinstall it and bleed the rest of the system. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,243 Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator) | | Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator) Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,243 | I am curious about your bench bleeding procedure. I learned to put a loopback from the port to the reservoirs and pump it until no more air came out.
You have been doing this long enough that your way clearly works, but I am curious why you block the ports? Doesn't require the bubbles to work backwards through the mechanism? | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 | Recirculating bench bleeding went out of favor around 15-20 years ago. It's difficult to even find the little plastic tubes with the double thread fittings these days. Now new or rebuilt master cylinders come packed with two plastic plugs instead of the recirculator tubes. It's quicker, simpler, and a lot less messy to simply plug the ports and let the fluid displace the air in the cylinder bore by letting the air come back up through the vent ports while short-stroking the MC. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,152 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,152 | Recirculating bench bleeding went out of favor around 15-20 years ago. It's difficult to even find the little plastic tubes with the double thread fittings these days. I just cut a short section of brake line and bent it back to the fill plug. Easy enough to do. I do recall the plastic plugs with my new master clyinder, but they weren't threaded, just push-in, and wouldn't do any real sealing.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | I decided to go with a "new" MC. It came with threaded plugs. I had some old fittings with tubing so I used those. 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,260 "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! | | "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,260 | My new Wilwood master came with a multi-tubing bleeder kit. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,204 Insomniac | | Insomniac Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,204 | Recirculating bench bleeding went out of favor around 15-20 years ago. It's difficult to even find the little plastic tubes with the double thread fittings these days. Now new or rebuilt master cylinders come packed with two plastic plugs instead of the recirculator tubes. It's quicker, simpler, and a lot less messy to simply plug the ports and let the fluid displace the air in the cylinder bore by letting the air come back up through the vent ports while short-stroking the MC. Jerry Wish you had posted this a couple of months ago - could have saved me $10. When I picked up the new master cylinder, I looked in the box and asked the parts guy why there were no tubes for bench bleeding. He didn't know why so he sold me a kit with the plastic tubes and fittings.  Like Smith Barney, I did it the old fashioned way.
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Gord 🇨🇦 ---- 1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 | Getting the air out of the MC bore is necessary, no matter how it gets done. Since there's no mechanical connection between the pistons in a double reservoir master cylinder unless one end fails, bench bleeding can be a challenge. Usually one chamber will purge itself of trapped air before the other. Then there's a hydraulic connection instead of a mechanical one to make the second piston move. When one piston or the other loses its ability to push fluid, or there's a leak downstream that empties one reservoir, then the pedal drops by about 2/3 of its travel, the pistons in the MC touch each other, and the intact fluid circuit does all the braking. If a constant gentle pressure on the brake pedal causes it to fall away slowly, that's an impending master cylinder failure warning you to do something about it. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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