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#1404880 04/05/2021 5:24 PM
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So, I'm new to the Tons 'o fun group.
I just picked up a 1951 GMC 250 dump truck and was told it is a 1 ton so here I am. Was told it ran when parked. Somewhere during it's life it received a 1962 261 chevy engine with the 12v electrical. I gave the fan a push and a pull and it seems to be free. soo now begins the project....along with the 1953 chevy 3/4 ton I've beem slowly bringing back around.
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53&Me,

Nice truck. If one posts the same info in more than one place, it is confusing. Only need to post in one place, we see all places.

Ed


'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires.
'47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle.
'54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed.
'55 GMC 370 w/270, 420 4 speed, grain, dump bed truck from ND. Works OK.
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👍 thanks for the fyi

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So my 1951 GMC 1ton has a big 5 lug pattern on the rear dually wheels, I've never seen this before, usually there are at least 8 lug. Don't supose any of you would happen to know much about this type of axle? possibly if someone out there has been able to track down brake parts for this type of setup. I've read a few posts about possibly having to have my hardware re-shoed, figured I'd ask around just incase someone has found some brake shoes redily available.

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Give us the dimension of the diameter of the bolt pattern, then we can help you deal with it.

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'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires.
'47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle.
'54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed.
'55 GMC 370 w/270, 420 4 speed, grain, dump bed truck from ND. Works OK.
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Sorry it took so long new baby boy is keeping me buisy,.... the bolt pattern is 5 on 7-5/8" from what I can measure with the rim still in place.

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Also, there are 12 bolts holding the diff cover on

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Hi, I have a 49 250 hydraulic tilt/flat bed dually. We may be able to share help each other on our projects. Happy to share info off of mine.

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Regarding the red GMC pictured above it looks like a 1 ton by the front bumper and front axle.
Rear wheels with 10 lugs at 7.25" bolt circle would be an axle from a 1.5 or 2 ton and would physically bolt in with the springs from the larger truck too.
That size bed with even a half load of gravel looks like more than enough for a 1 ton.


•1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
•1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
•1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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Ok, I removed one of my pictures so I could post the picture of the 5 lug pattern on the dually axle.

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Hey Grigg, do you know if the 1ton front axle is the same as the 3/4 ton front axle?

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Now I'm less sure what your rear axle is. I was thinking it might be 10 lug which often uses 5 of those same bolt pattern on the front in GM applications.. but that's not what you have.

Some 40's GMC's I think used 5 lug which might be what you have, and it may be more like a 1 ton axle. 48-53 GMC 1.5 ton sometimes had 5 lug "Motor wheels" which might be what you have. If 20" rear tires I'd suspect an axle larger than 1 ton.
In any case it is not likely original to the 51 GMC you have. Might not even be from a GM truck. Post some more pictures of the axle and perhaps someone will know more. I think you can post more pictures in a reply.


1 ton and 3/4 ton front axles for 48-54 are somewhat the same, but also not.
The axle beam is the same forging. The 3/4 ton uses 1.75" wide springs and the 1 ton has 2" wide springs, so the U-bolt holes are drilled appropriately in each axle for the springs.
The hubs if single wheel are the same, 3/4 ton did not have dual wheels.
Brakes on the 1 ton are larger than the 3/4 ton, so different drums, backing plates, shoes, and stuff.
Spindles are the same, and I think but not sure on the steering arms.


•1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
•1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
•1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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Thank you Grigg, that's some great information! I'll try out the reply option to get more pictures up.


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