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#1272230 07/12/2018 1:16 PM
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So I’ve got a ‘48 GMC 300, I’m going to need to rebuild the 4 speed as the windows were broken out and it got rained on for 60 years...
I have two questions though:
1- Is this the same 4 speed that was optional in the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks? I think they just upped the pulling/hauling power by adding a low geared 2 speed rear end, is that correct?

2- How do I identify my transmission so that I can order a rebuild kit? These early trucks all had Muncie 4 speeds right? Or am I completely wrong? I’ll have to dig through some grime to find the ID number I just want to know where to start.

Thanks in advance!


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Hy 48GinPole, does your transmission shift lever have a small lever and rod on the side of it? if it does you have the older sliding gear four speed, if there is no lever and rod then you should have the SM 420 transmission, this transmission was used right up to the mid sixties and was the only four speed the factory installed in their trucks, hope that helps.

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It does have the the small lever, what does that do? Ive never heard of that. Is it going to be hard to find a rebuild kit?


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Hy 48GinPole, I don't know that anyone makes a "kit" for that transmission, that is a crash box transmission (no synchronizers), I think all you could do is change the ball and needle bearings if they need replacing and check the shafts and gears for wear and damage. If that is the transmission you have, your truck is more than likely a 1947 model, as that was the last year for the sliding gear transmission, hope that helps.

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The small lever is a reverse lock out. You need to lift the lever to put it into reverse, which would be to the left, then back toward the seat.


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Hi all
when I rebuilt my 4 speed in my 42 truck I just replaced the bearing and seals the rest of the box was still good
I made my own gaskets.
Heavy box for the size of it
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There should be plenty of those transmissions available at a lot less cost than trying to rebuild one that's in in poor shape. The old crash boxes are usually considered scrap iron on anything that can be adapted to the later synchronized transmission, even if a bellhousing swap and some modification is involved.
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Unless you are building a factory correct truck, I would convert to the sm420 transmission. They are plentiful and you will have a granny low. So 2nd (normal starting out gear)and 3rd are constant mesh and syncronized, 4th gear which is direct drive and synchronized as well. First and reverse the truck must be stopped for you to shift into.

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1953 Chevrolet 3100
261 cu inch, sm420, 3.55 rear, torque tube still,omaha orange, still 6 volt, RPO green glass, side carrier spare, all done
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sstock , the 4spd crunchy box has a wonderful "granny" low smile

Look at the size of that gear .... I took the top off my box to fix the pins in the gear lever .
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Yeah, that looks like the square gear first in the sm420. Bet that trans howls like a pack of wolves with those straight cut gears.


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Originally Posted by sstock
Bet that trans howls like a pack of wolves with those straight cut gears.
Not necessarily. My Model A with straight cut gears wasn't that noisy. If they get worn, yes, they'd be noisy, but if in decent shape, shouldn't be bad. A bit noisier than spiral cut gears, but not bad.


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Hi There
The box with the little (cool) lever is a GKT 134 used up to '47.You can order a gasket set from http://www.classictruck.com/category/s?keyword=gkt+134+gasket

A bit of info on the later gearbox....
The '48 onwards used a Muncie SM420 which bolts up to bell housings with the standard Muncie Chevy bolt pattern. To put one behind a 350 you need an early '56 Chevy bell housing with the open bottom to access the lower threaded bolt holes in the transmission.

Hope that helps

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With a little gentle practice one can double clutch a 420 , NP-540 or even a Dana 18 or 20 transfer case while moving, saves clutch wear with a load on a hill.

Ed


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After looking into it further, i have the GKT134 non synchro like was mentioned.
Is there any modification that must be done to convert to a sm420?

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