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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Received my GM style HEI Distributor Saturday for the ‘62 C-10 235. The distributor has already been set up for the 235 so it’s just a drop in. The instructions tell how to get the engine to TDC (as if I didn’t already know) but they assume you are replacing not converting. I think I know the answer to my question but I just want to double check. There are the standard two connections (ign/tach) and no others. I’m thinking the wire to the positive side of the existing coil (which goes away) goes to the ign plug on the distributor. Am I right or wrong? BTW I’ve been wrong twice today according to my wife.ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | When you get it working, please come back here and tell folks where you bought the HEI distributor? | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 | You will need a BIG wire to the "ign" terminal on the distributor cap, all the way from the ignition switch to the distributor- - - - -12 gauge minimum, and 10 would be better. Most likely, the wire from the switch is around a 16 GA or smaller, and it might possibly be a nickel/chrome resistance wire that drops voltage like a ballast resistor used to. I don't remember what year GM started using the nichrome wire, but it was somewhere in the late 1960's I believe. The HEI coil needs a lot of current, especially on a cold start. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 | I believe that you can fry that thing by putting 12v to the wrong terminal...... so be careful!
~ Dave 1950 Chevrolet 3600 3/4-ton with 261 engine & T5 Transmission | | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Jerry, that's just what I needed. Dave, the terminals are labeled so if I wear my glasses I should be ok. 
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 | Actually, the GM HEI is pretty much idiot proof. Connecting 12V to the Tach terminal doesn't hurt it- - - - -the spark just doesn't happen. Some of the aftermarket electronic ignition systems fry themselves if you sneeze at the wrong time! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Weather is not going to cooperate for a week or so and I don’t have an inside shop so the install is on hold.ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Well the weather cooperated today so the install was on. Took about an hour mostly removing the old stuff and brackets. The new HEI was a fairly straight up install. Only one wire to make up. Had the engine on #1 TDC, set the new housing into place and bolted the hold down in place. The cap took a little fiddling to get right since the system is the large cap style and the push rod cover is less than 1/32 inch away. It did fit w/o modifications. Cranked it over and with a little fine tuning of the timing she fired right up. The brand is TSP model #JM6516R. Price is fair. Sold through Amazon by HPREngines. I’ll do a driving report this weekend.ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Starts, runs and drives well.😀
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 | I found the TSP model #JM6516R unit on Amazon and it looks just like the one Summit sells but for the red cap. I see it is one wire. Are there directions telling how to hook it up? What about a tach wire? I have an Autometer tach that I would like to use. What is a good ignition wire set to use with it?
Vintage Paul Paul O'Neil, SoCal 1951 Chevy 3600 Project
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Paul, one wire from ignition. If you want to run a tach there is a second (labeled) terminal on the distributor. The directions with the unit are in American but lack a diagram or much detail. Guess they figure if your ordering it you know how to install it. You can get a wire set from any FLAPS or search Amazon for 6 cylinder HEI plug wires. I found red ones to match the cap. ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 | I think i found the answer with the tach. There is a special plug with two wires. One for the one wire system, the other for the tach. The one I found is NEW HEI Distributor Wire Harness Pigtail Dual 12v Power and Tach Connectors 170072. Will that work?
I also found an ignition wire set: HEI Spark Plug Wire Set for 1941-1962 Chevy Chevrolet Inline 6 194 216 235 Oem Fit PWJ132. This sounds like it might be right for the HEI dizzy.
This is a one wire system. Does that wire go to the ignition switch?
Vintage Paul Paul O'Neil, SoCal 1951 Chevy 3600 Project
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 | Thanks Martin, that is pretty much what I needed to know about this unit. I like the idea of a new dizzy rather than trying to upgrade ny old one which might be worn and will certainly need new bits.
Vintage Paul Paul O'Neil, SoCal 1951 Chevy 3600 Project
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | The wire goes from the hot when on side of the ignition switch. You will need to run a 14ga or 12ga wire. I used 14ga on mine. I just used a female spade connector when doing mine since I don’t have a tach.ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 | Do these HEI units use the stock plugs? If so, what gap?
Vintage Paul Paul O'Neil, SoCal 1951 Chevy 3600 Project
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,440 | Stock plug will work fine. Gap at .045.ðŸ›
Martin '62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress) '47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project) ‘65 Chevy Biscayne (Emily) ‘39 Dodge Business Coupe (Clarence) “I fought the law and the law won" now I are a retired one! Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop! USAF 1965-1969 Weather Observation Tech (I got paid to look at the clouds)
| | | | | Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 Crusing in the Passing Lane | | Crusing in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 | 8 or 10 guage wire to supply the HEI, no 14 or 12 guage.
Ed
'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires. '47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle. '54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed. '55 GMC 370 w/270, 420 4 speed, grain, dump bed truck from ND. Works OK.
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 42 | 8 or 10 guage wire to supply the HEI, no 14 or 12 guage.
Ed OK, from the switch to the dizzy, heavy wire. It seems that the wire TO the switch from ammeter negative and on to the starter terminal (?) will also need to be heavy? This is all still a bit fuzzy in my mind . . .
Vintage Paul Paul O'Neil, SoCal 1951 Chevy 3600 Project
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,763 | The way the coil develops more firing voltage capacity is by building a better magnetic field around the windings. This is done by flowing more primary coil current than a set of points can handle. Without getting deep into the physics and electronics of induction coil operation, the more primary current there is, the hotter the spark will be. Points can handle around 5 amps without overheating and burning. A HEI coil carries around 15 amps, sometimes more as the current first begins to flow. It does this by using heavy duty power transistors instead of points.
The primary wiring from the battery, through the ignition switch, to the coil has to be capable of flowing the increased primary current, so yes, the entire circuit needs to be upgraded, not just the wire from the switch to the coil. The circuit from the positive battery cable to the ignition is usually pretty heavy to begin with, because it carries the current for accessories like electric wipers and the heater blower as well as the ignition, in most cases. It doesn't hurt to run a new, heavy wire with very good terminals there, however. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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