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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | My '59 sat for months and now it feels like the brakes don't fully release. If I do a driveway only move (it's not licensed yet) forward or back, and then depress the clutch it stops as though the brakes were in contact with the drums. That is, an abrupt stop, not just the gradual loss of momentum. But when I jack up the front, and then the rear end all wheels turn freely with no resistance.
Is there some other cause? Is the hydraulic pressure not releasing quickly, but is fully released by the time I get it jacked up?
Note: Everything from the new dual MC back to the shoes and drums is new and worked fine when I did a brief drive 8 months ago. That's why, esp. here in wet Oregon, I expected rust between shoes and drums. But that doesn't fit with free rotation when jacked up.
I'm stumped, and don't want to overheat a drum & shoes if it's going to be sticking while I drive.
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Support one end on jack stands, apply the brakes, release, and immediately try to turn a wheel. Ditto for the other end. It's also possible the hydro-vac (if equipped) is slow to release, so try it with the engine running as well as stopped. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 914 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 914 | Old brakes hoses internally fail they swell up and brake down on the inside with age restricting brake fluid flow back to the MC. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | Hotrod, I tried that. All four wheels turned freely. Huh??? So, what else could explain this if it's not brakes?
Note: all hard and soft lines are new.
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,747 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,747 | I don't completely understand the post. Does the truck roll in neutral? Or are you still in gear with the clutch depressed? Is the parking brake cable adjusted and working? Roll back with the park brake is possible, roll forward will activate the "parking" brake(it is a leading shoe thing) if the park brake is not fully released. The effect of depressing the clutch, might be a bad throwout bearing..again I may have misread the post(my bad often). With the truck lifted, and free roll at each wheel, the shoes are not the issue. I would look at the parking brake adjustments. With a good light, and some contortion you can just see the shoes move when the parking brake is engaged and released. Let us know what you find.
Steve H
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | The parking brake isn't connected at the wheels. I put in a new axle and need to convert to the newer connection type at the wheels. So that's not the issue.
If I put it in gear (1st or reverse), release the clutch to get forward/backward movement, and then depress the clutch the truck comes to a "braked" stop. That is, it doesn't stop b/c it loses momentum, but is stopped by some mechanical cause...as though the brake shoes were in contact with the drums.
But today's explorations show the shoes are not in contact. Stumped.
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 | Sounds like clutch isn't releasing fully from the flywheel. How much free play do you have in the clutch pedal?
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | OK, I've decided it is NOT the brakes. The resistance is felt in forward or reverse and is not slight. Significant.
My next theory: I had trouble with the axles and the shop that built my rear end while we still lived in AZ. When we got here and I drove it for the first time I had almost disastrous trouble and immediately called the AZ shop. He said two different sizes go with that rear end, he must have put the wrong axles in, and sent me the correct size (slightly longer). I did the install myself - something I was not comfortable with, but it seemed to go OK. I have not driven it since, so I'm guessing that's the source of my trouble.
Can you think of a mistake I may have made with the install that would account for this binding in F or R?
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | After further thought, if it was the rear axle/diff it should bind with the rear end jacked up and the wheels rotated manually, yes?? So does that point to the transmission??
Aaargh!
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | Update: the problem is with the T-5 I had built. Should I have expected it to come to me from the transmission shop already filled with fluid? I did assume that, it was not, and now I've got to deal with a fried tranny.
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Nobody EVER ships engines, transmissions, etc. with lube inside. Shippers get VERY testy about slippery puddles in their trucks! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 | Thank you for sharing your troubles. Many (me included) would tend towards keeping something like that under our hats. But then nobody learns anything that way. Thank you again. Carl
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 336 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 336 | I'm surprised that the place that built and shipped your tranny didn't put a tag on it indicating there was no fluid in it.
1959 3100 Apache Fleetside
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 319 | Note: the tranny wasn't shipped. It was delivered via a third party who was doing some work on my '65 Falcon. I went to pick up the Falcon and got the tranny while I was there. Everything was local.
A VW guy trying his hand at a '59 LB fs. Lots to learn, but it's about the journey.
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