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Any pipe fitters out there that might know what these are for???
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/161993749
I picked a whole set of them up at a sale about 30 years ago because I thought I might
find a use for them…….I haven’t yet! I thought they might be some sort of swedging tool for
tubing or pipe since they are stamped “Reed Manufacturing, C9 Erie, PA”. So far the only
use I’ve found for them is as paper weights.
So…..any old pipe fitters recognize what they are?????

Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

Look like feet for different size pipe? Why do you think they are pipe fitting parts? Did you research the company?

They almost do look like flare tools. https://www.reedmfgco.com/en/products/water-services-tools-and-machines/flare-tools/

I sent them an email message earlier today, asking about the tools that Mark shows.

I sent them a copy of your photo, Denny

Yep, made it to the same place as Mark did Bruce. (You forgot
your copper).
I thought the same thing Mark when I spotted those earlier
this morning. Thought they might just a later version of what
I've got here. Like to see the tool that those are used on/in.

Hey, thanks Tim. I thought about doing the same thing but, let
the dog out, let the dog in, let the dog out, let the dog in,
etc., etc., etc., got in the way.


dg

"I double checked with our Engineer and these are not Reed Parts. If you can tell me what kind a tools they are and/or what you are using them for?

I can help you with anything that we carry that may do the job for you.

Joyce"

Can you post a photo with company name and part number, Denny?

Uh-oh.

Tell her paperweights & see what the engineer says.

Brad

COPPER,,,,, Dang, your right Denny. Just another reason to get together!!

They have too steep an angle to be flare or swage tools. When I worked plumbing about 50 years ago, we had a couple of swages to extend copper tubing for drains (p-trap material). They had a real gradual increase in diameter so you could hammer them into the tube and create a socket to slip another piece of tubing into and solder together.

You mentioned a set of them. What sizes are they? Your photo looks like it has part numbers stamped around the rim. Maybe if you gave them the numbers they could come up with a description. What's the bottom of the smaller one look like?

You've got my curiosity up for sure.

Gonna run right out to the barn right now and take a photo of
the name stamped on the side. I think Joyce and the engineer
are probably to young to know what products they used to make/carry.
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/162006249
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/162006250

dg

I sent the new photo to them.

Something tells me I should know what these are. I want to say tube flaring dies but you would think that they would have a smoother finish for that. I'll think on it all day and see what I can remember. Maybe take a survey from my technicians.

I agree with you, Mark

Whats the angle on them?

"It looks like these are the old style Hammer Flaring Tools. We don’t see any old instructions for this tool.

Attached is the current instructions for the current Hammer Flaring Tools.
Hope this helps.
Joyce"

Joyce Carr
Inside Sale Associate
Reed Manufacturing Company
1425 West 8th Street P.O. Box 1321
Erie, Pennsylvania USA 16512-1321
Phone (800) 666-3691 ext. 1131
Fax (800) 456-1697
[email protected]
www.reedmfgco.com
Thank you for choosing Reed

I made this PDF file with Denny's two images and the two-page instructions:

Reed Copper Tube Flaring Tool?

The instructions are for these "modern" flaring tools:
http://www.reedmfgco.com/en/products/water-services-tools-and-machines/flare-tools/#tabs/manuals
http://www.reedmfgco.com/en/product...chines/pressure-relieving-hammer-flares/

Regardless of what they actually are, there is one thing that is certain.
DG is a hoarder.
Unless of course, he offers them for sale.
Then he is merely an inventory manager.
Carl

45°. Not sure what the cross hole would be used for, if they
are indeed hammer flare tools. Never saw any copper tubing that
large that needed a flare. By the time you get that big I would
think it would be time for solder or brazed joints.

dg

There are many things I have never seen, such as:

From Copper Fittings Standards:

"Flared Copper Fittings

COLD WATER SERVICE

Flared fittings for use with flared copper tube for cold water applications with a maximum water pressure of 175 psig are manufactured to the requirements of ANSI/ASME B16.26 - Cast Copper Alloy Fittings for Flared Copper Tubes.

These fittings shall be produced to meet the general requirements of ASTM B 62, Alloy C83600 or the chemical and tensile requirements of ASTM B 584, alloys C83800 or C84400. Essentially, the elemental make-up of these cast brass fittings is approximately but not exactly equal to 85% Copper (Cu), 5% Tin (Sn), 5% Lead (Pb) and 5% Zinc (Zn). ( Although other elements may be part of the Alloy structure, more detailed analysis of the Alloys can be obtained from Copper Development Association Inc from their Plumbing Section).

These flared fittings are limited in size from 3/8" nominal to 2" nominal as designated by ASTM B88 for Seamless Copper Water Tube.

Marking of these fittings is limited to the manufacturer's name or trademark and that identification may be omitted form fittings less than ½" nominal size.

(These flared fittings are normally limited to use in underground water service lines and in some rare cases above ground water distribution piping and should not be mistaken for 45° flared fittings manufactured for higher pressure applications.)

NOTE:
As additional information for flared fittings for copper tube applications it should be understood that forged or machined brass flared fittings for pressure applications are manufactured to the dimensions and configurations of SAE standards. The flare dimension and configuration for a 45 degree single flare is to be in accordance with the specifications of SAE J533"

Could be these are interchangeable ends pinned onto another piece intended to whack with a hammer. Do you have a piece like that?

My subforeman seems to agree. Tubing flaring tools.

Thanks for doin' the leg work for me Tim, I do appreciate that.
Looks like they did use flare's for large diameter copper.

No Grigg, the set of heads were all that was in the box and
there seems to be a few sizes in between that were missing
and maybe a couple of larger ones if they went up to 2".

I would think that there had to be some sort of vice that
clamped the tube being flared. Got them at a sale and there
was no other info with them.

Well thanks guys, I'm bout 75% convinced as to their purpose
now. Was just hoping there might be an old fitter around that
knew exactly what they were.

Denny Graham
aka: the hoarder, in Sandwich, IL

don't feel bad, my wife is always telling people about the parts I have for cars and trucks I no longer own.

Also,tools that have no current use,some are scary

my treasures

Much better pictures.
I agree now with the other guys, they're hammer-in flare tools for soft temper (type K) copper. The hole in the longer end is just to keep them together on the clip. That end would go into the end of the tube and hammer on the other end. I would think the 45 degree taper would be a bit smoother, as one of the other guys mentioned.