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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | Working on the '53 3800. I'm replacing the condenser and points on a distributer for a 58-62 era 235. I need a special tool mentioned on other posts - it's for the inside of the terminal (inside the cap) that holds on the points/condenser. The older dists had a nut but this one is in a tight spot and has a weird screw head. Where do I get one of these tools? I'm not getting fire. Also, I drained the old oil and found it to be a medium dark purple (??). It didn't seem like dirty oil, though it had the consistency of oil. Any clues? Did the PO use synthetic oil or something? http://Alignment2012.com/1953chevy.html | | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 247 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 247 | John I got mine from Snap On probably 40 years ago. The number is TMC 43. I don't know if it is still avialable or not. Most people see it and have no idea what it is for. Good luck. Jim | | | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,438 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,438 | I used needle nose pliers. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | John,
I thought that special nut was buried in the insulator on the outside of the distributor housing. Would a inexpensive pair of needle nose pliers sharpened to a point or a pair of snap ring pliers work to remove the nut.
Have you tracked power from the key side of the coil to the primary lead wire....the one that goes to your special nut. The points must be properly adjusted to 'fire' the coil.
Stuart | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | John,
Stuart is correct - the nut is on the outside. The head of the bolt is inside the distributor. Jim's tool will unscrew that nut. You could file away the middle of a screwdriver blade and it would then "straddle" the screw post and turn the nut.
Tim | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | Stuart - I thought I took a close look at the outside. You must be right, the '55 manual says there should be something there: see pic: http://chevy.tocmp.com/1955truck2shop/55ctsm06y41.htm Tim and Jim - I'll try those tools, no TMC 43 seems to be on Snap On these days. I'll do some trouble shooting tomorrow and see what happens - I'm replacing points, condenser, cap, rotor, wires, and plugs. Here's a question - I'm using a 12 volt coil with internal resistor and skipping the ignition switch by running the power off the starter. Is that a good idea? It's a 12 volt system, and I have a key so I can run it through the ignition switch - is there a ballast resistor in the line somewhere? It's a '53 1 ton but the engine is a 58-62 235. Oops - also was wondering about the vaccum advance - it seems broken - the distributor housing can be rotated an inch or so back and forth - that will effect timing won't it? | | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | John,
A internally resisted coil doesn't use a ballast resistor. I must not understand your statement. Unless the coil were switched, you couldn't shut the rig off. In your case, if you can start it with the key, and shut if off with the key, it's a done deal.
If the distributor moves, timing changes. When the vacuum advance unit is working properly, the distributor housing is as solid as the internal spring in the vacuum can..the distributor won't wiggle.
Stuart | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | You were right about the inset terminal nut - used needle nose pliers to get it out. This morning got the points in and set, and with starter fluid got a few chugs out of it. It's alive! However, the starter engage gear kicks out on the first chug, so I can't keep cranking it to get it started. The starter spins for a moment and as it slows down a little clunk happens, which I think is the starter gear sliding back into place. I have another starter, it should fit but it's not a foot pedal starter. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 12 Apprentice | | Apprentice Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 12 | the "dark purple" oil you referred to is probably Royal Purple synthetic oil. I work in a parts house and that is the most common for that color.
junkyard | | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | John,
Your donor solenoid style starter might have a different pinion configuration and could complicate any starting issues you have right now.
I would stick with what you have. Clean the cables, charge the battery, check plugs and timing... generally just get things tuned and it should go. The worst case scenario would be pulling the existing starter, cleaning the commutator and maybe installing new brushes. Even jumping the existing setup might help wake the beast up.
Stuart | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | Okay Stuart - that makes sense. You guys are great! Thanks junkyard - I was worried the PO goofed. | | | | | Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 608 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 608 | Colorado, The Tool in question can be had from anyone who sells K D Specialty tools,Part #2025. It,s a 3in1 Nut Driver for the outer nut on 1 end Other end is the Internal Spanner Nut Tool And a Screwdriver that slips in the middle for the Points+Condenser screws. OR on evil bay right now Item # 140034709535 Oh and it fits All 216,235 and 261 Dists. Regards, Steve Sr. PS no its not mine,nor am I affiliated with this auction, I just Have 1 or 2 and love the tool,it makes point changes a breeze As of 13:45 hrs eastern time there was 4days,15mins left on auction | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | Thanks for the tip Steve Sr. With some persistence, and boasting the battery juice, I was able to get some definite explosions (in a good way) out of the '53 3800 beast. It actually ran for about four seconds twice (off the starting fluid). Must keep trying, ran out of daylight. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | John,
You use the term "explosions"...that's exactly what they are and they can bust things easier than a person would think. Starting fluid is a tough show on any engine so use it in moderation.
Stuart | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | I agree, tomorrow it's gas. There was only one minor explosion (where's that fire extinguisher?). BTW, I drained the purple synthetic oil, but residue remains. No issue adding 10w 30? | | | | | Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 608 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 608 | Where,s Chiphead when I need him? Anyway to quote his signature line.... Preaching the Gospel according to the 4Cycle Apostles. Suck,Squish,Fire,Flames Regards,SS | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 63 | Well, if anyone's still listening, success! Had the 235 babbitt running today, three times, idling for about a minute each time (had to fill carb bowl each time). He shall live again after god knows how many years in suspended animation. Amazingly, looks like the carb is still working fine! And the skies were rent asunder and his name appeared before me: Lazarus. Thanks everyone - updates at the 53chevy link below. | | |
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