first off you guys are the best, and i thank you for such a quick response. from what i am gathering there is no magical screw, bolt, clip, nor anything that is holding it in the dash other than the connections like the speedo cable, oil pressure hard line, water temp hard line, and some of the other gauge connections, right? i'm going to go ahead and disconnect everything from the back especially the oil pressure and water temp hard lines, as per what you are saying might be the culprit keeping me from pulling it out all the way. thanks again for the info, i was just afraid of breaking something by using force.
-joe