damo, i took 4 leafs out of the front and it lowered the front about 3 inches. there is still about 2 inches of room from the stops to the frame. the most recent problem i had from doing this is one that i am currently in the middle of fixing. lowering the front made the drag link raise in the front about 2 inches giving me "bump steer" at speeds over 40mph. i am fabricating a new linkage now so that the drag link is level w/ the ground. this shoud eliminate the scarry truck trying to drive itself effect. i will let you know how it turns out -DVZ