Hey Scott, I had all the materials on hand, and figured I could learn some fabrication skills. I have more skill than $. In my initial post I was trying to find out what other "subframe" would be a good doner. The camaros, novas and monte carlos are getting hard to find, especially if they have disc's. According to my math a crossmember will still top $1500? If I can't come up with a subframe I'll go the crossmember route. Thanks,