Thanks for all the in put . It sort of follows all the product reviews online. A lotta air low humidity. But since I am into self abuse I brought the thing home and am gona put some fine dry sand in it and give it a try.My buddy hopes it will work so we can do his frame and rear end. His wife is happy its outa the garage. Backup is I found a local guy with a big professional rig that can come to the house.