Thanks, anyone with that many rigs should KNOW! IT seems ike the Lincolns at HD/Lowes are not the heavy duty models sold at the welding houses, but the Hobart being a cousin to Miller seems a bit better built. Not happy that they dont come with a wheel for .023 wire, but I guess thats not too much trouble to change.....or is it? I think they are like $20 and advertised as for the .024 but the .023 will work on them- is that correct?