OK Thanks 3B and bartamos. I used the reference page out of the manual as a guide to what we are working with. I don't need those actual springs due to the fact that my shoes do not have the small holes for the spring to fit in to instead the shoes have the standard tab. I do have the springs that came off the old set, BUT we are not sure that they are even the right springs. The old ones are {4} barrel type springs that we think are the Napa 80169 ones. The other [4} springs are straight or cylinder looking. 1" in diameter, 3 5/8 long with 12 coils both with fishhook ends
