Hobart is owned by the same parent company as Miller. When they were first acquired, I think it was just as good as Miller. I have a 15 year old Hobart wire welder and parts interchange with Miller. But I think they are drifting more into competing with price. Their torches are made in China and claim to be Victor compatible. That sounds like a Chinese knock off to me. Might be the same thing that HF sells with a different name.