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What the hell is everybody talking about? I've seen allot of TF suburbans, they all have rubber rear floors don't they? Is that linoleum? Also, the guy who started this post who wants to do something, I don't know what, misspelled LINOLEUM in his title. What the hell's goin on? NOW, Wahl4m thinks that's how to spell it, and he misspelled it in his reply, what the hell's going on? If you want the grooves, Get some rubber, lay some 1/2" wide sticks on it, spaced properly and run over it with a steam roller!!! Or lay it on a cattle guard and roll over it with a steam roller!! No big deal. What the hell's going on here? I'm not mad or hostile, I just want to know what the hell's going on? This is the most hard to understand post I ever read. I only replied to get my post count up, but now I'm mad and I don't know why. Bill, help me out here is there some special rubber stuff called Linoeum? What the hell....it won't Google?

Here is a discussion of Task Force Suburbans that pre-dates this thread.

barts head spins late at night, must be the heat

I remembered that thread, thanx for the jog Tim, my bookmarks are a jumble, had them under 'bus'
I also note this has become a circular discussion now

so if the material for a burb is costing 4-600$ [2 years ago], a "true repro" would likely be somewhere north of $1000 .... and now I remember why I decided against getting 200sqft for daBus

Bill

I actually bought a large roll of heavy rubber utility mat that has grooves in it for $75 at the Big R. Good enough for me.

What...the...____????!!

Guys - skip it. Good luck with your projects I guess.
That is...except for the sensible people who have posted calm
"I'm interested - let us know when it's done" responses, or PMd me.
To those who just want too have their own talk about how they "have no idea what is going on here..." Umm – oooookay.

HERE:
(THIS IS NOT WHERE I GET MY STUFFF...MINE'S FOR A BUSINESS VENTURE SO OBVIOUSLY I BUY IT WHOLESALE, TO DO ALL THE WORK AND STILL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE PRICE ***WAY*** UNDER $1000.).
(Closer to $725. WILL BE THE PRICE WHEN READY!.

SO (most of you know)…try it yourself…retail it’s not cheap, and don’t mess up routing the 30th line! =XX$$!

Retail sources FOR THE PLAIN, UNGROOVED RAW MATERIAL…

Battleship Linoleum. Most people already know that, and want to buy a ready – made one because no one’s ever done it, and it’s easier (and cheaper than screwing up your own $500. piece trying to rout it!).

THAT’S what we are talking about (to the oddballs who insist on posting over and over, not even knowing what it is, or wanting any).
SO -
If you want to do one yourself…(why?):

~Tony Lauria will sell you just the raw material for about SEVEN OR EIGHT dollars a square foot, last I knew.
Battleship Linoleum has been around in basically the same form for nearly 100 years, as I have researched. Architectural uses, then in the 1940s, used in the utilitarian station wagons and Carryalls.

It is a natural material that is ridiculously durable.
As it ages, it seems to get more solid.

When you see pics of original ones that have had moisture in them, the linoleum will be broke up and brittle, yes –
But here in the SWest, if the car has had all the glass in it all its “life”, then the stuff can be found remarkably intact, solid as a rock, and still holding its own!
Kind of interesting.
I have samples I have pulled when making templates from original cargo area wood from
1949-57 wagons…that look NEW when washed and “waxed”.
Cray material.

I can tell you – samples from a 1951 Suburban, 1959 Suburban, 1952-54 Ford Wagon, 1955-57 Chevy wagon, etc. etc. that I have have the same thickness,
The same “look” (if from similar weather conditions),
The same backing…so I know the big car manufacturers must have all sourced it from the same manufacturer.
The difference (in the years it was being used, anyway) was the design/depth/”profile” of the grooves…oh, and the spacing between.

I Am not doing something you’re going to duplicate with no effort or extra $ spent, but you can come close to the original with stuff that’s available (router bits that are on the market will make something “kind of” close, if you look long enough For them.

***I actually had bits made to match the profile of the grooves.

Order some at retail and try it. Those who had the sense to be respectful, and are interested…I can get ahold of you.

Re – Mr. Lauria - He is a nice guy, and will send the piece you order a little bigger, even.
He is not a "car guy"...he is a linoleum guy.
He has been given info. by customers on how to try to route it for cars. He sends samples that a customer did, yes.
They are free. They have a big square groove in it. I do not know if the customer used that design in his car as a replacement, or just did it with that "profile" to show it can be routed.

But he no longer sells (or a year ago was selling through his remaining) 3.2 mm.
3.2 mm is still MADE, he told me at THAT time he no longer was going to get it.
I only asked him what HE can supply to know who would be a good backup supplier
For us in an “emergency”.

If I run out and have orders to do, etc..
When I get supply from the mfr., itr takes 2-3 weeks each time.
I checked on what Mr. Lauria still sells when I started getting things set up, in case I needed an interim amount - I could buy it retail, and just get the customer's order "done". Tried to plan this whole thing out and plan for all eventualities.

"misspelled for a reason" such as you don't use the preview function?
if you want to communicate with folks on the forum it helps to state things clearly and simply, and in your case that would seem to require using a spell checker

the fact that bartamos does own a 'burb might have something to do with his reaction to your rambling because "everyone who sghould find it, did" [sic]

Bill

Why are you ____s all ____ed at me and if someone does something INSANE, it's great?

re: his "'burb"...
Seen it - it is not one that the owner would ibnterested in an original detail FOR.
Not stock...(and obviously he has no idea what we are talking about...but wants to insult those who do).
In a (crazy) way.
You think that's OKAY, but my information (which people have asked for) is not clearly written enought to follow...hmm.
Maaaayybeee you're both on the same frequency, and that's okay! I'd rather be on the right one.

I forgot - this is what you old guty do with these forumes. Try to asdd to you #s of posts by posting (nothing) on EVERY thread.

bud, when you start a thread with a chip on your shoulder and respond to everyones comments on the unintelligible nature of your rambling posts with "What the ____????!!!!" and address us as "you ____s" how can you expect to get courteous intelligible posts in return? the reason "people have asked for" your information is exactly because it's NOT clearly written

if you wanna see the "old guty asdd to you #s of posts by posting (nothing) with these forumes" [sic], check the greasy spoon - if you want to sell an actual product or if you want to solicit customers, try the swap forums, the only information this thread has added to this forum is your opinion of yourself and many of the other members here - that should be well established by now, nearly 4 months later
I'd say that happened some time back, by the poster who gets [censored] off when folks ask him for a price

Bill

Thank goodness my linoleum is in excellent shape, so I do not have to deal with such a hostile individual. Look back to my original post in April of this year, when I commented on the great people here who contribute their knowledge and share with others. This is not a sharer, this is an angry person. Can you imagine the "customer service" after the sale?

Will the added thickness from 2.5mm to 3.2mm pose any problems installing it ?

Keep us posted,hope to see pictures soon.

Thanks,Tim

Ive been watching this post roll along. Im with Bartamos,
This is the most hard to read,hard to follow,spun-out post ive seen in a long time.
Im surprised it hasnt been locked down, or deleted by now.

Hilarious - you have been nothing but rude, when others just aid, "thanks - let us know".. YOu 2, specifically. And the wild post from Mr. aBartamos.
THAT seemes well placed and sensible...to you?

Someone else even chimed in after his post saying, (about his post) "consider the source". So no...his "what is going on here" (over and over) doesn't make sense..sorry.

Mr "moon"...your "use it in pole barns" suggestion
(WHEN ALL I SAID WAS THAT IT WILL BE A REPRODUCTION, NOT JUST A CLOSE "REPLACEMENT") also - irrational and uncalled for. I don't know you, but apparently someone saying that something will be a correct reproduction of original...MAKES YOU ANGRY?
Funny - I guess Jim carter, others should stop short of actually correctly reproducing the original details in their repro. parts because the mere mention that it is a "correct" reproduction wil upset you, then?
Sorry!
Odd stuff.

Mr. Squeeze's angry comments...are the only other hostility here...I re-read all mine. I wasn't rude to anyone...you all 3 chimed in with no interest in the product discussed, just insults about it. Funny.
And here you are again, saying I am a "hostile individual". Makes no sense.
ANd don't use your Carnak-like fortune telling skills to start making stupid comments ABOUT me like 'customer service'". You're way out of line. You have a problem, keep it to your self. Thanks!

Tim-
No.
And it won't necessarily BE 3.2. But i have found the roundabout way to get it...with no minimum.
No matter what anyone else tells you.
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But-
Tim...Please do ma a favor if you have an appropriate tool like a caliper...measure the thickness of a sample of the original in your vehicle and PM your "findings".
I know the answer...I want you to find out yourself. Will discuss when you do, though. PM me.
I am always glad to share what I know. It's not rocket science, you CAN groove this yourself and get it really close to the original.
Never said otherwise, for the record.
But it's a pain, and the material is so high$ if you get it retail, that it's be a pain to ruin the piece.
Let me buy it cheaper, take the risk of messing it up and only sell one to you...that gets done without messing it up!
MAkes it easy.
Someone might do it later and sell them, but really...I kind of doubt it.
It's not a huge niche on its own. I am doing it out or stubbornness (because I wanted it for my own 1951 Chevy wagon), and because I like this kind of stuff.

When I started getting custom bits made and things lke that, I realized I might as well go ahead and complete the thought! Started gettting expensive...might as well make some back off of it. I am a few months away from having some to sell.

I am going to lock this topic and eventually delete all entries except for the first three entries (which contain pertinent information about this undertaking and how to privately contact the person who started this thread).

The possibility of having replacement linoleum mats for GM suburbans is of general interest. So, leeway was given to allow "market research" by the original poster (allowing the poster to gauge the interest in this "product"). It seems like this purpose has been served. Anyone who has not contacted the original poster to indicate your interest in seeing a replacement/reproduction mat becoming available, please make contact via a Private Message to the original poster - please be sure to indicate the year of your Suburban. This contact would be an indication of interest, not a "pre-order".

When the original poster has a prototype, and an estimate of the selling price, and the shipping cost (or, the size and weight of the shipping package), we would most likely be willing to post an announcement here.

When a prototype or a product is available, most likely a Parts For Sale ad will be posted in the Swap Meet. I am certain that I speak for many members in saying we look forward to seeing reproduction mats becoming available.