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the difference tire truing can make #745535
Sun May 08 2011 03:46 AM
Sun May 08 2011 03:46 AM
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Dave Langford  Offline OP
New Guy
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 13
St. Mary's County, MD
I enjoy old GMC and Dodge trucks. Currently I have a '52 power wagon I just finished restoring.
I have had a problem with vibration and the sensation of a slight hopping effect ever since my resto was done when driving on the road. Off road I do not notice it. I have 9 X 16 bias Power Kings mounted on the stock Budd wheels. They have an aggressive lug pattern.
The vibration and shaking seemed to be noticed especially above 25 mph, and was present after they were hot and the flat spot gone.
After researching this, I took the power wagon to a place over in Easton, Maryland (Elliott-Wilson Trucks) that had a tire lathe. They found I had about 1/4" run out with the tires on average. The picture is of the mechanic with the tire lathe or truer in action . After this was done he was able to balance things without difficulty.
A considerable improvement was noticed in the ride immediately afterword. http://photos.imageevent.com/share/powerwagonrestoration/icons/IMG_4832.JPG


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Dave Langford] #745542
Sun May 08 2011 04:10 AM
Sun May 08 2011 04:10 AM
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squeeze  Offline
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Vancouver Island
Dave - back in the 60's when bias ply were the norm and belted tires were just appearing, a lot of shops had that same machine - yes, it does make a real difference and you were lucky to find someone that had that retro-tech, getting pretty rare now

Bill


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: squeeze] #745628
Sun May 08 2011 01:40 PM
Sun May 08 2011 01:40 PM
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Czechman  Offline
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Raleigh, NC
I worked at a custom shop back in Detroit in the early 70s and had to do this any time a customer wanted wire wheels on their pimpmobile. I often wonder about what happened when it came time for a tire change. HA!


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Czechman] #745641
Sun May 08 2011 02:52 PM
Sun May 08 2011 02:52 PM
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Wrenchbender Ret.  Offline
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Lenexa Ks.
Several years ago I tried to find someone in the KC area to do this & never could.


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Wrenchbender Ret.] #745689
Sun May 08 2011 05:40 PM
Sun May 08 2011 05:40 PM
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Dave Langford  Offline OP
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 13
St. Mary's County, MD
check this out:
http://www.tsissg.com/711-amermac-tire-truer

This is the company that makes the truer. They also have a video you can click on at this link showing how it works that is very interesting. They are doing a modern radial tire on it.
I called the company and they gave me a list of the shops that had the truer in my state.
Then I called a few and found the place I mentioned.
Dave


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Dave Langford] #745691
Sun May 08 2011 05:45 PM
Sun May 08 2011 05:45 PM
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Dave Langford  Offline OP
New Guy
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Posts: 13
St. Mary's County, MD
Actually, see the link below as this is the model of the company's truer that works with the wheel and tire mounted on the vehcile. I have heard this is the better way, rather than off the vehcile.

http://www.tsissg.com/amermac-tire-truers-balancer/405-w-porta-trues


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Dave Langford] #745771
Mon May 09 2011 01:19 AM
Mon May 09 2011 01:19 AM
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Denny Graham  Offline
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Posts: 10,723
Sandwich, IL
Dave I've been thru hundreds of dollars worth of ballancing and tire rotation on the rims and three sets of tires because of the hopping at 35-45 mph. Same tires as you seem to have, Power King bias plys.
Think you could please post that list so we can all see it? I'd be willing to give that a try.

Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: Denny Graham] #745805
Mon May 09 2011 02:36 AM
Mon May 09 2011 02:36 AM
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TDuffy  Offline
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 105
Cadillac,Michigan
Had a simular experience with tire balanceing on my wifes 88 mustang. Had paid the big dollar computer balance job and still bad. Was ready to get new rims when a friend said he got tired of the tire problems and bought a on-the car tire balancer like he used in High schools days and the local gas station. He balanced the tire, used 1/2 The weights and now rides nice. He also went online and found a shop in Michigan that shaves the tires for roundness and his problems are totally over.

Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: TDuffy] #745812
Mon May 09 2011 02:47 AM
Mon May 09 2011 02:47 AM
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LONGBOX55  Offline
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DANVILLE IL
Originally Posted By TDuffy
Had paid the big dollar computer balance job and still bad.

The balance job will only be as good as the operator of the equipment. A tire can come up as "balanced" on the machine, but if the weights aren't in the right spot, you'll still get a static vibration. Took a customer away from Wal-Mart for that very thing. Weights everywhere on the wheel, showed "balanced" on their machine. I put it on mine (Hunter Road Force), it showed 1.5 to 3 ounces off. Customer had me rebalnce them after Wal-Mart couldn't do it right or refund him the money. When i was done, smooth as could be.
Now, if a tire/wheel assemblt is not true round, no amount of balancing will correct it. Only correcting the out of round situation will fix the problem. Most shops do not true tires anymore, we haven't done it since about 18 years ago, as most modern tires tend not to be out of round.


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Re: the difference tire truing can make [Re: LONGBOX55] #745869
Mon May 09 2011 01:40 PM
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WE b OLD  Offline
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marion, in. usa
I have what i call a waggle at highway speeds. if you watch a nature show about bees you will see what i mean. at speed it seems to wiggle back a forth. in town and at lower speeds nothing. maybe that is the solution. thanks for posting. Ron


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