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#632339 - Fri Mar 26 2010 03:47 PM Positive cable  
bud8541  Offline
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Joined: Mar 2010
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Arizona
I have a 53 3100, and the truck runs fine it starts up but when it get's hot it acts like the battery is dead but after it cools down it starts right back up. I was told that my cable to the starter is not big enough. It still has the 6 volt system. Can anyone tell me what the cable diameter should be? I did add the ground strap from the engine to the frame and still same problem. Any help is appreciated.



#632347 - Fri Mar 26 2010 04:14 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: bud8541]  
truckernix  Offline
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Bracebridge Ontario Canada
Sometimes thes motors tend to be harder to turn over when they are warm. My 216 is one such case because I shimmed the main bearings with the minimum possible clearance. I would try turning it over by hand when it is cold and then when it is hot.

Another thing to look at is the size of the cables. There are a few posts on that. Also if the timing is too advanced, it can cause problems. You can check for this by turning it over with the ignition off.


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#632365 - Fri Mar 26 2010 05:40 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: truckernix]  
vtmlro  Offline
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California
You should try what truckernix suggested first. If then you do need to replace the cables then the forum by Randy Rundle under tech tips says the original 6 volt cables had 4ga wires from the battery. You can also do as he suggested and what I would do is use 1ga which is a bigger wire. To better understand it the cables act like pipes in a water system. The bigger the pipes are the more water will flow. The smaller they are the more it will restrict water flow. The water in the case of your truck would be your amps from the battery. I would suggest to replace both the negative and the positive. This will create even current(amps) flow from the battery.



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#632384 - Fri Mar 26 2010 07:08 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: vtmlro]  
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If the truck has 12V cables, like the only ones available in the parts stores, your cables are too small. Lots of 6V users use 00 cables.


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#632395 - Fri Mar 26 2010 07:48 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: Cletis]  
bud8541  Offline
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Arizona
That is what I heard they have to be 00.


#632431 - Fri Mar 26 2010 10:16 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: bud8541]  
vtmlro  Offline
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Yes, 00(2/0) is correct if you use aluminum cables. I aplogize for not making that clear and thanks guys for catching that. My calculations were based on copper wire which witstands higher amp capacity and has better durability then the aluminum. Most likely the stores will carry aluminum. If you do find some that are complete copper then it will be 1AWG. If you are confused then just search N.E.C. table 310.17.


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"So she said, "either I go or the truck goes!"....Hmm, I wonder what she's doing these days?"


#632502 - Sat Mar 27 2010 02:52 AM Re: Positive cable [Re: vtmlro]  
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1 AWG copper would probably work fine. I use 00 AWG copper on my 6v vehicles (hot and ground wires from battery).


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1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
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If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.

#633079 - Mon Mar 29 2010 05:11 AM Re: Positive cable [Re: tclederman]  
bud8541  Offline
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Arizona
Installed the 00 cable, it made a big difference in the way it starts, just hit the starter and it fires right up no resistance.


#633093 - Mon Mar 29 2010 06:29 AM Re: Positive cable [Re: bud8541]  
vtmlro  Offline
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California
It looks like you had a fun productive weekend.


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#633124 - Mon Mar 29 2010 02:04 PM Re: Positive cable [Re: vtmlro]  
tclederman  Online
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Good news, Bud.

The order of importance in the starting system (with no wasted $$ spent):

After checking out the battery and all components in the ignition system, if the engine is cranking slowly, check out (or install/service) the following:

1. Good cables from the battery - both the positive lead and the negative lead (1 gauge to 00 gauge, copper).

2. And, clean/shiny contacts for the cable-connections - clean metal, protected with conductive, anti-oxidant grease ( Kopr-Kote, Kopr-Shield (no longer listed by Eastwood), or NAPA: BK 7652569.

Next to consider (although, I now do this first on my trucks):
3. From the battery: run the positive cable to the starter (the normal arrangement) AND the negative cable to a starter-to-clutch-housing bolt (not the normal arrangement). Be sure to still use other frame-to-block ground cables (and maybe a head-to-firewall ground cable).

4. Then, rebuild (or have rebuilt) starter, or buy a new/rebuilt starter (NAPA now has them, as low as $60).

If the above actions still fail, you will have good starting components (that you will need anyway). Unfortunately, you'd have to look elsewhere for the cause of the slow-cranking (too tight an engine?).


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 46 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE
If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.

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