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#540325 - Sat May 23 2009 09:13 PM Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials?  
Mr. Lang  Offline
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Thats the question. I NEED to put my porta walls on my wheels. No, its not on the truck, its on my Pontiac. I have a set of portawalls for the car, but need to use tubes I think. The local tire shop says I can't, because my radials will chew the tubes up. They say that they can mount them without using tubes, they assure me they've done this before.... Now, how does the tire seal against the wheel, with the portawall jammed down there? I thought these had to use tubes.

Anyone have some experience with this stuff here?


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#540329 - Sat May 23 2009 09:24 PM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: Mr. Lang]  
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I have only heard what you have said. Maybe you need a set of bead lockers. LOL


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#540332 - Sat May 23 2009 09:36 PM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: truckernix]  
Wrenchbender Ret.  Offline
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You can get special tubes for radial tires. It's been many years but it seems we used to put porto-walls on with tubeless tires.


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#540338 - Sat May 23 2009 10:06 PM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: Wrenchbender Ret.]  
WE b OLD  Offline
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i have tubes in my Michelin x tires and they have been in there since august of 1969 yes 69 and no problem except one went flat last year and i put a new tube in.


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#540358 - Sun May 24 2009 12:24 AM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: WE b OLD]  
LGriffin  Offline
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Many years ago I time and distanced rallied. Radial tubes were required in all tires. It was considered a safety issue. IIRC the radial tubes were a bit more expensive.

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#540384 - Sun May 24 2009 02:11 AM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: LGriffin]  
terry  Offline
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Check with Coker Tire in Chattanooga Tenn, they can advise you and of course sell you what will work best.

GLTya

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#540418 - Sun May 24 2009 04:56 AM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: terry]  
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I'm running a set of Port-a-walls on my tubeless tires with no tubes. Been on there for 3 years with no problems whatsoever. The port-a-wall mounting lip gives an air-tight seal between the tire bead and the rim.


#540427 - Sun May 24 2009 06:11 AM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: waldo53]  
crenwelge  Offline
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Port-a-walls will work if you have rims with a wide enough sealing area. Most manufacturers went to a wider wheel designed for tubeless tires in about 1957. The earlier rims were not really designed for tubeless tires and with Port-a-walls it becomes even a greater risk. Port-a-walls were the big thing when I was in high school. If you have the older rims, I would recommend a tube designed for a radial tire.


#540486 - Sun May 24 2009 03:48 PM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: crenwelge]  
Mr. Lang  Offline
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Well, I guess I'll take them to the tire shop in the next week or so. I always seem to have bad luck when I break down and hire something out.

Thanks.


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#540581 - Mon May 25 2009 12:45 AM Re: Tire time, can I put tubes in my radials? [Re: Mr. Lang]  
LONGBOX55  Offline
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"Radial tubes" are meant to be used in tube type radial tires, not in tubeless tires. I have personally seen what happens when a tube is put in a tubeless tire, especially when they are run a highway speeds. The friction between the tube ans tire inner liner causes exsessive heat, which leads to sidewall and tube failure, usually within 100 miles at highway speeds.
It should also be noted that with current DOT regulations, it is illegal to install tubes in tubless tires. That is why most tire shops (including the one I work at) will not do it.


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