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#388155 - Sat Mar 15 2008 01:44 AM Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy)  
jdl  Offline
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Well, what brake fluid,(brand, kind, etc...) what transmission fluid(brand, kind, etc...) and should I add any yet? I opened the brake reservoir to see if there was any in it and it was completely empty, but it looked like someone had replaced the rubber tubes going from the metal lines to the wheels, so that may be why. And I'm wondering if I should add any, along with the tranny fluid. Any recommended brands? I don't remember, but I'm sure there was a post on what kind(silicone or ________) and that you shouldn't use silicone because it eats at the seals, but I'll search to see if I can find any info.


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#388212 - Sat Mar 15 2008 03:56 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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Jordan, how long had the truck been sitting? If it had sit for a number of years you will probably have to rebuild the wheel cylinders. It may be best to just drain the whole system and refill with fresh fluid. I suspect the transmission is filled with about 90 weight gear oil. some of the experts will tell you shortly.


#388215 - Sat Mar 15 2008 04:00 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jay 1124]  
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The brake fluid should be DOT 3 OR 4,
You might be suprised to get Pedal after a few strokes...
I would look at all brake lines/hoses/wheel cylinders before driving around the field much....


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#388216 - Sat Mar 15 2008 04:02 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jay 1124]  
jdl  Offline
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The truck sat for at least 5 years, and if the person who had the truck last that filled the tranny, if they did at all, knew what they were doing, it should be 90 weight. I probably should drain it though, since I have no idea what's in it, right? And you were talking about draining the breaks, right?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388228 - Sat Mar 15 2008 04:28 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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Just to put your mind at ease and know that you have fresh tranny fluid, it would be a good idea to drain all the fluids and go with new. 90 weight in the tranny and the rear end are good, you might want to use some Lucas with it. and the brakes can be drained, and with the hoses unhooked so that nothing runs into the wheel cylinders, you can run some alcohol through the sytem to help clean everything out without hurting the system. Rebuild kits for your wheel cylinders are cheap and easy enough to install. It doesn't matter how strong the truck runs, if you can't get it to "Whoa" when you want it to. Good luck and keep at it.


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#388322 - Sat Mar 15 2008 04:33 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: Tramp]  
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Thanks.


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388323 - Sat Mar 15 2008 04:35 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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This is probably going to sound stupid, but what kind of alcohol? Only thing that I can think of is the type that you get for cleaning you face or something.


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388333 - Sat Mar 15 2008 05:10 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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Isopropryl Alcohol....availible at Drugstores, paint supply stores.


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#388352 - Sat Mar 15 2008 05:49 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: 1958GMCnut]  
jdl  Offline
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Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have A LOT OF THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388360 - Sat Mar 15 2008 06:05 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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Ok, should I take the wheel off(after jacking it up, of course) to get better room to disconnect the line?


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388401 - Sat Mar 15 2008 07:40 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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OK, I do not know what I am talking about (what's new) but I think I would be careful running any kind of alcohol all the way through all parts of a brake system.

Is it possible that alcohol might cause swelling or other problems in some rubber parts?

Just being careful, in making this post.



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#388414 - Sat Mar 15 2008 08:06 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: tclederman]  
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I'd agree with Tim, alcohol isn't the thing to use in a brake system .... I'd completely tear down the brakes and chack everything, replace anything that needs it [rusty guts and old rubber] then refill with proper fluid, if you want to do some cleaning when it's apart, use 'Brake Kleen' [basicly acetone] .... if you just want to play around the yard, just add enough fluid to get pedal and pull it all apart later


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#388436 - Sat Mar 15 2008 08:41 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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Personally I would fill up the MC with brake fluid and see what happens. After that if there are leaks, you might be into replacing most of the brake components.


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#388445 - Sat Mar 15 2008 08:50 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: truckernix]  
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Yes - brake fluid is cheap, and most of the parts will probably need to be replaced anyway, so fill 'er up!


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#388454 - Sat Mar 15 2008 09:14 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: 54TOW]  
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Ok. I took off the wheel, and guess what! When I spun the thing(man, I wish I could remember what it's called!) that has the studs for the lugs, the drum was just barely scraping the drum cover, just like it was supposed to!


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388463 - Sat Mar 15 2008 09:44 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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To put your mind at ease plus learn something I would suggest that you start with a good "old fashioned brake job". It's not that difficult to do and you would clearly understand how everything works in your truck's brake system. When your done you will be most confident that you can "STOP" your truck!! Safety concern Number 1!!

Just by dissassembling all the brake parts, cleaning them, installing new wheel cylinder kits after honing the wheel cylinders, checking the drums to make sure there not scarred (if so they may need to be turned on a lathe), inspecting the brake shoes for wear to see if you need to replace any of them (in pairs mind you), and finally topping off the whole system with fresh brake fluid and bleeding the system of air bubbles....you should be in good shape!! Just approach all these tasks methodically, with patients taking your time to do a good job. If you get hung up or have a concern you know that there are plenty of folks here that are more than happy to guide you through! I didn't mention "ALL" the steps you must take so be prepared to ask questions!

And, BTW, take some pictures with that camera as you work! For documentation on how the parts fit so that you will remember just how they go back together! Most of all, don't be afraid!! You can't mess up. It's only a bunch of parts!!


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#388465 - Sat Mar 15 2008 09:53 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: Lucille]  
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Ok, I went out side just to see if my system would work. Filled it up with "SuperTech" from Wally World "suitable for all disc and brake drums" and put the plug back in. NO LEAKS! But also, NO PRESSURE! It's all staying in the reservoir, and not in the MC. Is this due to air in the system?


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1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388468 - Sat Mar 15 2008 10:13 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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When there is either "air" in the brake system, or a "fluid leak" in the system you will experience what is called a soft pedal where there is hardly any pressure at all and the brake pedal could easily go all the way to the floor when you pump on it. Not a good sign, however, a "warning" that something is wrong somewhere.


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#388469 - Sat Mar 15 2008 10:18 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: Lucille]  
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Well, I looked at all of the wheels, so there's no leak there. There's no gushing leak, or I'd see it. But for some reason, the fluid is staying in the MC.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388478 - Sat Mar 15 2008 10:53 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Describe what happens when you push down on the brake pedal with all the force you can give it and try to "hold it".

Secondly, how far does the pedal travel before it stops and you cannot push it further?

Finally, does it go all the way to the floor when you push it down with all your force?

And remember, just because you can't "see" a leak doesn't mean there isn't one. There are so many connections in this "hydraulic system" that it will take a careful study to figure out just where the weak/leak point is.


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#388484 - Sat Mar 15 2008 11:21 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: Lucille]  
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Ok. In response to the above questions. #1. When I push with all my force, it goes to the floor. #2 When the pedal goes to the floor. #3 I can push the pedal with my pinky finger all the way to the floor.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
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I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388485 - Sat Mar 15 2008 11:25 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Jordan,

The brake system needs to be bled. If you have a Shop Manual, the instructions are in the manual.

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2003/bf90347.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4213448.html

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_howto_bleedbrakes.shtml

Would other people reading this thread please pipe-in with opinions about about having a 13 year old novice check out a brake system (even if he is very smart and knows how to be careful and how to ask questions)?

Tim


Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 45 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE
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#388525 - Sun Mar 16 2008 01:32 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: tclederman]  
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Well, I'm getting closer. I'm thinking that the lines will need to be replaced, BIG TIME! The rubber hoses aren't in bad condition, but the fittings are CORRODED! Now, my question is: How do you get the drum cover off?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388529 - Sun Mar 16 2008 01:44 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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If you do replace the steel lines, you definetly want to do the rubber lines too, as the rubber will degrade faster than the steel will. Now, to answer the question on getting the drum off. 1, you'll want the truck supported on jackstands, safety 1st! once you get the wheel off, the drum should just slide off, but more than likely it will be rusted on. here's a little trick I use. Take a ballpeen hammer, a 16 ouncer will do, then give the drum a few good solid raps beteewn the wheel studs (don't hit the studs), this will free up the rust. You may also have to lightly tap the drum on the outer lip from the backside to get it to come off if it's severly rusted. You also may have to back off the adjuster if there is a rust ridge on the drum. To do that, there's a slot on the lower part of the backing plate. Remove the plug (if prsent), then you cane use a flat blade screwdriver to move the adjuster wheel. Refer to the manual for the correct procedure there.

Last edited by LONGBOX55; Sun Mar 16 2008 01:44 AM.

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#388534 - Sun Mar 16 2008 01:57 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: tclederman]  
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Jordan, what tclederman referenced to is excellent! Please read and try your best to absorb the information. If you don't understand something, post a question.

I asked you about what the brake pedal was doing and you confirmed that it was easily pushed to the floor. No pressure = no braking!!

I know your young, but please, slow down and take the time to absorb what people are saying to you in this thread. You must understand that there are folks here that know a whole lot of stuff about old trucks and such. Many of them are old enough to easily be your grandfather and have had many experiences revolving around the repair and safe maintainance of vehicles. That is a good thing!

I have no problem with a very interested 13 year old novice checking out a brake system on an old truck as long as he "LISTENS" to what people here are telling him. HOWEVER, he needs the watchful eye of an experienced family member to help guide him along the way. Someone has to "physically" be there to get across to you what we tell you through this website. Which leads me to a very important question..."Jordan, do you have a good family friend who is interested as much as you are in the restoration of your truck?" The only reason I ask is because you are communicating over the Internet and the transfer of information to you from very experienced people could easily be misunderstood by you because you are so young. At 13 you really need a close local family friend who will also help guide and physically show you what issues need to be addressed and how to solve them. You cannot do this alone!





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#388535 - Sun Mar 16 2008 01:57 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
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Thanks. Yeah, I figured out that I will need the hoses too. They aren't expensive, just $12-$14, and my mom, if she will, will have enough money at the end of the month to buy me the brake lines. I do have a question, are the lines from Jim Carter already flared and bent correctly or? This is the impression that I had from the description. Also, is there anything else that I should get while I'm doing that?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388538 - Sun Mar 16 2008 02:02 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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If you get a line kit, they will already be made up, ready to install.
Here's something that you may try before you strat tearing into the system too much, fill the master Cylider, then try pumping the pedal gently, rather than just pushing it down. See if it builds up any pressure. Could be that the system is dry and needs bled, but it may take a bit to get fluid down to the wheel cylinders. Also, this will allow you to see any potential leaks in the system.


Bill Burmeister

#388540 - Sun Mar 16 2008 02:07 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
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Well, I HAVE filled up the reservoir, as mentioned above, but it wouldn't go into the MC. I figured that it was plugged, but also it could be from air in the system. And everything seems so corroded that it would be better to wait until I have the new lines and then go from there, but then again, the system may be fine, but I doubt it.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388542 - Sun Mar 16 2008 02:09 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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By pumping the pedal as I described will draw the fluid into the system, it may take a little time to get it in, though. And you will have to refill it several times.
In the interest of safety, a complete overhaul would be best, especially if you suspect anything as being marginal.


Bill Burmeister

#388551 - Sun Mar 16 2008 02:34 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
jdl  Offline
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Ok, guess I need an overhaul, or something close, because I tried what you said, and as of right now, I was out there 23 minutes and nothing changed.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388600 - Sun Mar 16 2008 04:26 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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You know Jordan those lines might be ok and not need replacing. That would save your mom a few bucks you could use for replacing the wheel cylinders and buying other fun stuff. Before spending all that money I think I would take each line off and clean it up and check it out, replace your wheel cyl. and get to know your brake system. You might just get by on the cheap.


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#388603 - Sun Mar 16 2008 04:39 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: BIG CHEVY 3600]  
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BTW Jordan do you have one of these, a factory assembly manual?


You will find it most helpful. A shop manual will also help.

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FIRST START http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-4nPArk98

Modern ‘science’: the wonder of a
pre-determined mind…

The ‘baseline belief’ of astronomy:
“Any day now, we’ll pick up a tiny,
coded signal from outer space. Then
we’ll know for certain that there is
intelligence out there, because coded
information does not arise by chance”

The ‘baseline belief’ of biology:
The precisely coded genetic information in
every cell would fill many books…
but we know for certain that no intelligence
could have created life.”



#388613 - Sun Mar 16 2008 05:05 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Chevy) [Re: jdl]  
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the kid is only 13 whos tell him to put alcohol in the brake system he cant even buy it!


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#388646 - Sun Mar 16 2008 09:41 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: john romero]  
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The alcohol taint the Drinkin' kind.... big_eek


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#388670 - Sun Mar 16 2008 11:37 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: 1958GMCnut]  
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I have not read every post in detail but something really concerns me here. With all this talk of brake lines, it must be pointed out that some of this is accessible only from underneath. Now that is a whole subject that must be understood correctly. We don't want to preside over a tragedy here.


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#388674 - Sun Mar 16 2008 12:31 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: truckernix]  
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He says he can push the pedal to the floor with his "pinky finger"... is it possible that the pedal isn't even connected to the MC and he's just pushing it against the resistance of the return spring?

Seems to me a good examination of the problem is in order before we start throwing money at the problem... money that he doesn't appear to have a lot of.

But that's just my opinion.


Woody
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#388678 - Sun Mar 16 2008 01:07 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: truckernix]  
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truckernix is absolutely right! Jordan, Please be most careful when putting yourself underneath your truck!! You must always think "SAFETY" when working around this heavy vehicle. It only takes "one second" for an accident to happen! Please use caution!


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#388709 - Sun Mar 16 2008 03:22 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: Lucille]  
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Ok, ok, yes I'm being as CAREFUL AS I CAN!!!!!!!! When I jacked the truck up, I put a concrete block underneath the axle so that it would be almighty hard for the truck to fall, and when I come back in, I don't leave the truck up on the jack. I'm being as careful as I can. And when I crawl under the truck ALL FOUR WHEELS ARE ON THE GROUND, AND CHOCKED! I don't want to be a tragedy!


P.S. Yes it is connected to the MC, because I looked under the truck while my mom pushed on the pedal. And I saw a little rod being pushed into the MC, just like it's supposed to.

P.P.S. I'm not sure that I can get those lines off. Most of what I could see was rusted, but the connections were worse. I was going to try to take the line and disconnect it where it connects to the rubber hose, but I'm worried that I'll just snap the line off.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388728 - Sun Mar 16 2008 04:13 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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How's your tool box? If you can't get the fittings to break loose and you round one off, well that's what a vise-grip is for. However replacing the lines should be the last resort to get these brakes working.
You may have to replace the MC and that would be easier than all those lines.
Take the fitting at the MC off and with the MC full, pump her up and if nothing comes out that fitting you need a new MC.
I have one I will give you for the postage.


Jim
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The ‘baseline belief’ of astronomy:
“Any day now, we’ll pick up a tiny,
coded signal from outer space. Then
we’ll know for certain that there is
intelligence out there, because coded
information does not arise by chance”

The ‘baseline belief’ of biology:
The precisely coded genetic information in
every cell would fill many books…
but we know for certain that no intelligence
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#388729 - Sun Mar 16 2008 04:15 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: BIG CHEVY 3600]  
jdl  Offline
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Oh, THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388739 - Sun Mar 16 2008 04:43 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Hey, what am I taking off? The nut things that screw into a thing that screws into the square fitting, the thing that screws into the square fitting, or the square fitting itself? The square fitting is already loose, but I don't know what I'm supposed to take off.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388753 - Sun Mar 16 2008 05:02 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
grub  Offline
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Don't use concrete block's to hold up the truck!Unless they are the solid kind.I've personally seen the ones with the hollow's in them break!The best way is jackstand's or good solid wood blocks.Also you should be on a good concrete slab or blacktop.Soft ground can cause the blocking to shift and tip over.I just want you to be safe.If you were closer to here I'd be glad to guide ya through the repaires.But you are getting some good advice already.Tom


#388756 - Sun Mar 16 2008 05:07 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: grub]  
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Solid is what I've been using.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388757 - Sun Mar 16 2008 05:07 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Also, what should I buy to replace the wheel cylinders? Just the rebuild kit or the whole new thing?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388817 - Sun Mar 16 2008 07:05 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Got any tricks for getting the two lines unhooked from the MC?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388836 - Sun Mar 16 2008 07:52 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Jordan, please don't use a concrete block to hold the truck up. I have seen those literally crumble underneath the weight of a vehicle, and even one fall on a freind of mine once (the car was a '50 Chevy 2 door). The only thing that saved him has that the tires was still on the car. You really need a good set of jackstands to use under the truck. There's some decent ones relatively inexpensive at wal-mart, Sam's Club has really nice ones cheap, too. Sears has them also.


Bill Burmeister

#388854 - Sun Mar 16 2008 08:24 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
jdl  Offline
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Ok, no more lifting the truck until I get jack stands. I just wonder what will happen to the trailers along the river near here when the concrete blocks give way. Now, does someone have any tips for getting those lines off of the mc!? (And directions on what I should be taking off? Does the nut on the line unscrew and not turn the line with it or not, because I'm thinking that I'll break the line since the line turns with the nut.)


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388856 - Sun Mar 16 2008 08:27 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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The nut should turn, the line should not. You'll need to turn it counter clockwise (left) to loosen, which will be the case on pretty much all of the fasteners on your truck.


Bill Burmeister

#388857 - Sun Mar 16 2008 08:29 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
jdl  Offline
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GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought that was how it was!


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388861 - Sun Mar 16 2008 08:33 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Gently tap the line as you undo the fitting - "love taps". this should separate the two. NO BFH Try some PB Blaster and let it sit a while.


David Colter
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#388867 - Sun Mar 16 2008 08:52 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: 54TOW]  
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Topeka Ks
get some line wrenches...Virg


#388893 - Sun Mar 16 2008 10:16 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: virg912iowa]  
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Sounds like a delicate operation is needed here. I would use a small vise grip and use it, with only the pressure needed, to hold the line while I un-tightened the fitting. All this after letting it soak (over night) with some brand of lube like PT Blaster or liquid wrench.
Also like Virg says, get some brake line wrenches. Sears is the best for the money.


Jim
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Modern ‘science’: the wonder of a
pre-determined mind…

The ‘baseline belief’ of astronomy:
“Any day now, we’ll pick up a tiny,
coded signal from outer space. Then
we’ll know for certain that there is
intelligence out there, because coded
information does not arise by chance”

The ‘baseline belief’ of biology:
The precisely coded genetic information in
every cell would fill many books…
but we know for certain that no intelligence
could have created life.”



#388908 - Sun Mar 16 2008 11:07 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: BIG CHEVY 3600]  
jdl  Offline
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Ok. I'm going to go and see if I can fix something to put some pb blaster in it, attach it to the line, and wait for a day or two to try again.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388924 - Sun Mar 16 2008 11:50 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Well, that didn't work. I was going to use something to submerge the line in pb blaster, but I ruined it(plastic medicine cup) doing it. Got any ideas on what I could do, or is doing that useless?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388926 - Sun Mar 16 2008 11:54 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Just spray it, or use a rag to soak it - it will penetrate on it's own. You don't need to dip it, just get it wet, and let it do it's job.

That sounded bad.


David Colter
pics * 1954 wrecker * 1948 Chevy 1-Ton
No act of kindness - no matter how small - is ever wasted ~~ Aesop

#388930 - Sun Mar 16 2008 11:56 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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No need for anything for the line to soak in, just spray the PB on the fitting. It will wick into it on its own y capillary action. You may need to give a second application.
BTW-on the can, it says it will melt plastic! grin


Bill Burmeister

#388932 - Mon Mar 17 2008 12:00 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: 54TOW]  
jdl  Offline
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eek Never mind how it sounded. blush Anyway, yeah, I guess you're right. I googled brake wrenches and the only thing that came up looked like regular wrenches. What's different about them?


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388937 - Mon Mar 17 2008 12:03 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
jdl  Offline
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Doesn't it say it will melt only some plastic? BTW, I've probably applied it 3 times now and I've hit the fitting gently about 100 times.(I counted) I guess I'll keep trying until it comes off or the nut gets stripped.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#388984 - Mon Mar 17 2008 01:21 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Flare nut wrenches are made differently from regular open end wrenches. They are more like a 6 point box wrench, but with a slot i them to allow them to fit over the line. They also tend to be much thicker that a std wrench. This is to prevent them from rounding off the fittings. This is what they look like http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942012000P?vName=Tools&cName=Hand+Tools%2C+General+Purpose&sName=Wrenches


Bill Burmeister

#389040 - Mon Mar 17 2008 03:39 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: LONGBOX55]  
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Thanks. I'll look into those.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

#389045 - Mon Mar 17 2008 04:05 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Missoula, Mt.
Hi Jordan,Sounds like you are getting a little frustrated-- relax. This is supposed to be fun-- if you get upset, walk away for a while. You can sometimes borrow flare wrenches from your FLAPS- especially if they have gotten to know you (or your Mom since she sometimes buys parts for you?). Give the Blaster a chance to work-- spray it a couple of times for a couple of days.
Pound out a dent in a fender while you arew waiting - that always makes me feel better.
Keep up the good work and before you know it, you'll be truckin'.


#389046 - Mon Mar 17 2008 04:06 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
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Hi Jordan,Sounds like you are getting a little frustrated-- relax. This is supposed to be fun-- if you get upset, walk away for a while. You can sometimes borrow flare wrenches from your FLAPS- especially if they have gotten to know you (or your Mom since she sometimes buys parts for you?). Give the Blaster a chance to work-- spray it a couple of times for a couple of days.
Pound out a dent in a fender while you are waiting - that always makes me feel better.
Keep up the good work and before you know it, you'll be truckin'.


#389079 - Mon Mar 17 2008 05:52 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: jdl]  
Czechman  Offline
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Originally Posted By jdl
Doesn't it say it will melt only some plastic?


A word to the wise:

Any time a product claims to do something to some THING you can rest assured that if it's a GOOD thing they are NOT referring to your THING. On the other hand, if it's a BAD thing they ARE referring to your THING.



Woody
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My 1951 half-ton 'Ol Red

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#389095 - Mon Mar 17 2008 08:06 AM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: Czechman]  
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Jordan,
In my opinion your lines will ultimately need replaced anyway as they are old and prob full of corrosion, for safety sake I would not try and save that old hard brake line for all the more new lines will cost.
Take a hack saw or saws all cut the lines near the fitting and then go after the fittings after a good soak in PB ...you shouldnt have much trouble getting the fitings out.
There are a few things on your project that are probably best to to just sacrifice, OLD brake lines is one that is on the top of the list.
You are prob having trouble as the Old lines are frozen fast to the fitting wich is indeed holding up your removal.
It is your call on this one, But in my expeirience tryin to save old lines just isnt worth the aggrevation.
Just my 2 pennies.
Tim



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#389117 - Mon Mar 17 2008 12:34 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: SW_Radial]  
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I would try opening one of the bleed screws on the front wheel cyl,to get the air out.For now I wouldn't be in a rush to replace everything in your braking system.Correct me if i'm wrong,but all your wanting to do is have some brakes so you can drive safely around the yard ,untill you are ready for the road.Thats what I'v done with my one ton,I just got the worst of the air out so I can stop when i'm driving it around the yard.Just don't get going fast,and what ever you do, don't take it out on the raod.And when your ready to get it on the road then replace all the bad brake parts and do it right,that way when you need e'm they will work.Also,the best investment in your truck would be a GOOD shop manuel.


#389348 - Mon Mar 17 2008 11:33 PM Re: Brake fluid transmission fluid and if I should add any yet(1954 3100 Ch [Re: 48 one ton]  
jdl  Offline
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Thanks guys. Got the camera today and I'll try to get some pics up soon.


Jordan D. Long

1954 Chevrolet 3100 1/2-Ton

And some more pictures
Photobucket

I got a 'Possum Pickup... Now I'm the Roadkill King!!! Anyone want to make some Stovebolt Stew?

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