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235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup #835258
Wed Mar 14 2012 07:39 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 07:39 PM
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keithfielder  Offline OP
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would like to now color 1954 chevy truck engine should be and also where to buy that color paint from which dealer

Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: keithfielder] #835261
Wed Mar 14 2012 07:50 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 07:50 PM
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DADS50  Offline
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http://www.1954advance-design.com/Web%20images/PPIP/PPIP-1912-1966-EngineColors.html

What level are your trying to achieve?
Show, daily driver, off the assembly line

Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: DADS50] #835268
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:17 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:17 PM
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keithfielder  Offline OP
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looking for daily driver and show now and then

Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: keithfielder] #835269
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:18 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:18 PM
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keithfielder  Offline OP
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also previous owner painted engine red

Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: keithfielder] #835275
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:41 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 08:41 PM
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I used rattle can from my local auto parts store
gray engine paint Dupli-Color Ford Gray #DE1611.

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Most say filling station engine paint is factory correct. It's a dark blue/gray like you would see on a 216



Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: DADS50] #835294
Wed Mar 14 2012 10:21 PM
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I used Rust-Oleum High Heat Primer then a few coats of Rust-Oleum High Heat Clear... Pic 1 & Pic 2





1954 Chevy 3104 3 Window Hydra-Matic in my family for over 60 Years

54 Chevy 3104 3 Window Hydra-Matic Photobucket Pics

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right... "Scarlet Begonias" Grateful Dead 1974

Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: healingbear] #835302
Wed Mar 14 2012 11:04 PM
Wed Mar 14 2012 11:04 PM
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LonnieC  Offline
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I'm pretty near finished painting the engine in my '54 3100. Bolting parts back on today. Painted in the truck.

I used dark grey engine enamel paint from http://www.fillingstation.com/.
AEROSOL #FS-359 $16.50
PINT #FS-119P $39.50
QUART #FS-119 $69.95

< CLICK > for a recent discussion.

< CLICK > for pics of original engines (B&W).

< CLICK > for discussion on cleaning the engine.

If you are painting the engine while it is in the truck, spend time planning your schedule. Seems like I wasted a lot of time masking off areas multiple times as I needed to paint other items.

Good luck.


- Lonnie
My '54 3104
Photos that I have shared on Stovebolt via PhotoBucket are no longer available. Please contact me if you want a photo from an old post.
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Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: LonnieC] #835373
Thu Mar 15 2012 03:14 AM
Thu Mar 15 2012 03:14 AM
tclederman  Offline
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keithfielder,

Discussing the topic of the engine color is like discussing what is the one true religion. Everyone has an opinion and everyone has done research (and has sought true/divine enlightenment). And, everyone trusts different experts. In fact, maybe this topic should be moved to the Greasy Spoon (just joking).

Jim Carter has been in business since 1972 and he has been interested-in and researching-on the Stovebolt engine longer than that. Bob Adler is considered (by me and by many others) to be "the expert" on Advance-Design Chevrolet trucks. He has had more than a few hundred Advance-design (and other antique) Chevrolet trucks in his restoration-shop/truck-yard/museum in Stephentown, New York. He has been studying/researching, writing about, and restoring Chevrolet trucks since at least the early 70s.

I have had one or more Stovebolt engines (216, 235, and or 261) in my possession since 1969, and worked on Stovebolt engines in a shop in 1970. I did not start studying/researching Stovebolt engines with any dedication/seriousness until about 2001 (around the time that I joined Stovebolt.com). So, my opinion is of minimal importance.

I appreciate The Filling Station's (around since 1979) research on engine color, which has resulted in their opinion that all 1929-1962 216/235 [b]truck[/b] engines had the same one and true color, a relatively dark gray (with what seems to be a little blue in it). I have seen earlier (pre-1954) 216s/235s with that color/shade-of-gray, but I do not know if that paint on those engines was original.

Based on his personal experience, I appreciate Jim Carter's opinion that the one and true color for 1929-1962 Chevrolet truck 216/235 engines is a lighter shade of gray. I have also seen that color on many newer 235s (in junk yards since 1969) but I do not know if that paint was original.

Anther respected vendor, Bill Hirsch, seems to have split the difference (and also seems to have made a complete mistake). He sells a dark grey 1929-52/53 six-cylinder engine paint and a presumably lighter grey 1929-52/53 six-cylinder engine paint. His complete mistake is a mistake that Classic Parts used to make and that is to also sell a Blue 1954-62 (and 53 Powerglide 235) blue six cylinder engine paint for trucks. That blue paint was only used on automobiles that had the Blue Flame 235 (and of course it was not the color of the 54-63 6-cylinder 261, which is another engine paint story).

Bob Adler wrote that the 1954 truck 235 was PPG 34560 gray (he published an article stating that this color was the same as the earlier 216 engine color). I do not know what this color looks like.

A source of valuable research that was not refuted when it was published is the article listing Chevrolet engine paints for 1912 through 1966 by Bill Hensel, a VCCA member (the Bible-keepers of all truths in the Chevrolet world). He shows a blue gray pre-54 216/235 truck engine color and a gray 1954 and later 235 truck engine color. I do not know if Bill Hensel (an Early Truck Tech Advisor for the VCCA) is still around but I think that his VCCA brothers now disagree with him BUT they have no documentation.

I have heard and read the opinions that so-and-so company/person has done long and careful research before reaching their conclusion on the one and true 216/235 truck paint color. As is the case in picking the one and true religion, picking the one and true 216/235 truck engine paint is an act of faith and can never be fully proven as being correct.

This attempt to choose a Stovebolt engine paint color is further hampered by the fact that "in the day" these engines were painted various formulas/mixtures of engine paint in what was not a carefully controlled process (just mix it up, keep the line moving, get it done). Nonetheless, the differences in darkness/lightness and shade-of-gray and amount-of-blue are quite distinct between Jim Carter and The Filling Station.

My 235 1954 engine is painted the gray sold by Jim Carter. I do not know if it is "correct" and if it is the one true color.

Please note that I have not shown you only one color and only one opinion by one company or by one person. I have shown you opinions from a variety of well-meaning people and companies. I am not trying to convince you to choose one particular color/paint. On the other hand, I am interested in people knowing more of the story than the results of one company's or one person's extensive research and strongly held opinion. Also, I hope that this information will help people enjoy whatever engine color they choose to paint their Stovebolt engine.

Choose the shade of gray that you like.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 47 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: tclederman] #835458
Thu Mar 15 2012 01:54 PM
Thu Mar 15 2012 01:54 PM
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LonnieC  Offline
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Well written info, Tim.
Thanks,


- Lonnie
My '54 3104
Photos that I have shared on Stovebolt via PhotoBucket are no longer available. Please contact me if you want a photo from an old post.
lonniecook [at] aol [dot] com. I sold my '54 3104 12/12/2017, but I still visit Stovebolt.

OLD STUFF ... houses, furniture, cars, wine ... I love it all
Re: 235 engine paint color for 1954 chevy pickup [Re: LonnieC] #835585
Thu Mar 15 2012 08:54 PM
Thu Mar 15 2012 08:54 PM
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keithfielder  Offline OP
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thanks for all the info,you guys are always so helpful when it comes to trucks ,i will try some of these paints and decide which one i like best ,i am also glad spring is just around the corner and we can get cruising.

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