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Posted By: Mrf1002u HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Nov 24 2015 02:41 PM
Hey guys,

I posted in the Driveline forum about a chance to swap out your 5.14 HO72 pumpkin for a 4.10 pumpkin. Should I have put it here? As many articles as I have read about doing it, and how hard they are to find....I figured I'd have to beat'em off with a stick, but not a single response so far.

There is nothing in it for me. I approached a group that seems to want our 5.14 gears and proffered a one for one swap. I got more than one interested party and I only have one to swap. Trying to help out, I decided I would post here and try to hook the other one or two interested parties up with people on the other end. I will simply pass on the contact info to the interested people and they take it from there.

Given the fact that there is now a rear disc brake kit available for the HO72 DRW trucks, I thought I would get attacked for a chance to get in on this.

Any interest? E-mail or PM me.

Larry W.
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Nov 25 2015 12:19 AM
Hi Larry -- If I'm following this correctly ... you are trying to hook guys up with swaps?

I have one (5.14) available if someone needs it. I already have a 4.10 one installed.
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Nov 25 2015 01:00 AM
I'd make the swap if shipping is reasonable.
I also have a 5.14
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Nov 25 2015 03:37 AM
Grigg and John M.


Exactly!

I am trying to do a one for one swap on mine but found more than one interested party. This may take some time, but I will keep at it. I know how hard these are getting to find, so I want to help others if I can. I do need to get mine done first (is that wrong of me?) LOL

After that I will try to connect people to other people and then you guys can work out your details.

This will involve some trust....in my case I am going to ship mine to someone and he will ship his to me. (Fastenal) We trust people all the time when we buy used parts anyway, so should,t be an issue.

Again, I will have nothing to do with the details of anybody else's deal and I will get nothing out of it.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Nov 25 2015 02:35 PM
John M.

If you don't need a 4.10, then maybe we can find someone near you who does and you two can work something out for your 5.14?
Then they can swap someone on my "list".

The other option is to let them know I have a seller with one and get you some $$. Then maybe someone can buy their 4.10.

Let me know.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Nov 26 2015 04:40 AM
Originally Posted by Mrf1002u
John M.

If you don't need a 4.10, then maybe we can find someone near you who does and you two can work something out for your 5.14?
Then they can swap someone on my "list".

The other option is to let them know I have a seller with one and get you some $$. Then maybe someone can buy their 4.10.

Let me know.



John M.

I PM'd you about a buyer for your 5.14 diff.

Larry W.
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Nov 27 2015 12:34 PM
Again, Thanks Larry! This is cool and showcases the power for good of the Internet -- two groups of truck guys, each wanting the others' castoffs. One man's scrap metal is another man's prized upgrade!

A big Stovebolt Bravo Zulu to you for setting this up.

Thanks,
John
Posted By: Chad M Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Nov 28 2015 01:49 AM
I have a 5.13 center carrier in good condition if you can find a buyer.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Nov 28 2015 02:18 AM
Thanks John. Feels good to help.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Nov 28 2015 02:21 AM
Chad.

We'll see what we can do about finding a buyer for yours.

How do you want a perspective buyer to contact you? PM me with it.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Nov 28 2015 02:40 AM
Chad,

I let the other group know there was a 5.14 available for purchase. We'll see if anybody steps up to the plate. PM me with your e-mail or phone number that you want them to use to contact you.

Larry W.
Posted By: Blind1968 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Nov 28 2015 02:19 PM
I have one as well, full axle with drums if needed. I did a 14 bolt swap with mine so it is no longer needed.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sun Nov 29 2015 04:10 AM
Blind,

Is yours a 5.14?

Larry W.
Posted By: Blind1968 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Nov 30 2015 02:23 PM
Yes, its a 5.14.

http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/B...A-ACC5-41F9133554D5_zpsyktkwwdq.jpg.html
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Nov 30 2015 05:34 PM
Ok,

I'll let the other guys know and see what comes up. Any idea what you need for it? Whole and or just the diff?

Larry
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Nov 30 2015 07:12 PM
Let's please keep prices out of this discussion, save that detail for PM's.

This thread is sort of fuzzy already... Should be in swap meet but not quite, and not quite right for general forum either.
Keep it simple and it can stay here.

Thanks,
Grigg
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Nov 30 2015 11:55 PM
Grigg is right. PM me with what you are asking.

Thanks Grigg.

Actually I'm amazed it hasn't come up already on one forum or the other. This whole "third party" thing is a bit odd I know.


Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 08 2015 02:43 AM
Originally Posted by Blind1968
I have one as well, full axle with drums if needed. I did a 14 bolt swap with mine so it is no longer needed.


Blind,

Heard from Andrew that you guys made a deal for your 5.14.

Good to hear.

Larry W.
Posted By: Blind1968 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 08 2015 06:35 PM
Yes, thank you. Glad to see it will go to use. I was afraid It was going to be scrap yard bound.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Dec 10 2015 08:34 PM
Anybody else have an Eaton HO72 5.14 center section they want to sell or trade?

I have at least one guy right now that wants to buy one instead of trade. Get some cash for your trash, as they say.

PM me if interested.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 22 2015 05:42 PM
Just an update, I may have found some Eaton 4.10 carriers for sale only. Guy claims to have quite a few. No trades. Not mine and I will pass along more info as I get it. No need to ask until I post back.

Merry Christmas.

Larry W.
Posted By: 50Chevy1Ton Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 22 2015 06:27 PM
I would be interested in a Eaton 4.10. I'll wait till you post back.
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 22 2015 09:54 PM
John's and my trade deals are moving along. The 4.10 sets have arrived, I'll pick them up after Christmas. Then we'll send the 5.14 sets out in the same crate.

Grigg
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Dec 22 2015 10:59 PM
Grigg -- I'll have two ready to go to you over the weekend. The rainy weather is good for wrenching smile
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Dec 23 2015 01:07 AM
Keep that in mind if anyone is headed east, likewise if someone from here is going to HQ for a visit.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Dec 23 2015 09:22 PM
That's great. Glad to hear this is working out. The guy I hooked you two up with seems like good people.

BTW. I have someone wanting to buy just a set of 5.14 gears, no carrier. If you have a set or know someone, let me know please. I kinda feel bad. He was my trader, but balked at the shipping cost. In the mean time I decided to skip the Eaton and jump straight to the 14 bolt for several reasons. So, I offered to sell mine to him, but when I didn't hear back for several days, I sold them to someone else. The next day he popped back up and said he would buy mine. Geez. Isn't that always the way. Told him I would look for another for him. He has a 4.10 to trade, BUT, it is pretty rusty and 2 people have turned it down. I think it would be OK to run if a little noise would be ok with someone. I have pics if anyone wants to give them a look. My set was also a bit rusty, so if you have a 5.14 that is not so pretty, he might still be interested. I think he is working on a low budget like me.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Dec 23 2015 09:32 PM
Also,

Another member PM'd me with a couple he has, and a deal for those is in the works too I think.

Merry Christmas everyone.

Larry W.
Posted By: Blind1968 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Dec 23 2015 09:57 PM
Larry,
Andrew now has the Axle i sold him in his possession.
Thank you again
Bryan
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Dec 23 2015 10:32 PM
Bryan, (blind)

Glad it worked out OK. I know this took some effort at both ends!

Larry W.


Merry Christmas
Posted By: 53 green 1- ton Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Dec 24 2015 01:21 AM
Larry, I believe I still have my 5:14 put away somewhere. Let me check, and I'll get back to you soon.
Merry Christmas all!!
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Dec 24 2015 02:56 AM
Thanks,

If you have it, maybe we can sell it for you.

Larry
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Dec 31 2015 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Mrf1002u
Just an update, I may have found some Eaton 4.10 carriers for sale only. Guy claims to have quite a few. No trades. Not mine and I will pass along more info as I get it. No need to ask until I post back.

Merry Christmas.

Larry W.


Ok, there was some confusion on this one. From what I can tell, this turned out to be one 4.10 that he doesn't want to ship and a bunch of 4.56's. Sorry guys. Some us have better communication skills than others.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Jan 07 2016 05:18 PM
Ok guys,

I have someone wanting to trade a complete 4.10 for a complete 5.14.

He is in UT.

Interested let me know and I will pass on contact info.

Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Jan 08 2016 05:05 AM
Ok fellas,

I have another that wants to trade 4.10 for 5.14. This one is in VA, so could be a good one to save some shipping cost.

Let me know if interested.

Thanks
Larry W.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Jan 12 2016 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Mrf1002u
Ok fellas,

I have another that wants to trade 4.10 for 5.14. This one is in VA, so could be a good one to save some shipping cost.

Let me know if interested.

Thanks
Larry W.



DEAL PENDING on this one.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Jan 12 2016 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Mrf1002u
Ok guys,

I have someone wanting to trade a complete 4.10 for a complete 5.14.

He is in UT.

Interested let me know and I will pass on contact info.

Larry W.



This one still available.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Jan 22 2016 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Mrf1002u
Hey guys,

I posted in the Driveline forum about a chance to swap out your 5.14 HO72 pumpkin for a 4.10 pumpkin. Should I have put it here? As many articles as I have read about doing it, and how hard they are to find....I figured I'd have to beat'em off with a stick, but not a single response so far.

There is nothing in it for me. I approached a group that seems to want our 5.14 gears and proffered a one for one swap. I got more than one interested party and I only have one to swap. Trying to help out, I decided I would post here and try to hook the other one or two interested parties up with people on the other end. I will simply pass on the contact info to the interested people and they take it from there.

Given the fact that there is now a rear disc brake kit available for the HO72 DRW trucks, I thought I would get attacked for a chance to get in on this.

Any interest? E-mail or PM me.

Larry W.


Ok guys, I started this thread, after I decided to work out a swap for my 5.14 chunk and get a 4.10. Well that kinda happened. I eventually just sold my gears and went to a 14 bolt with 4.10's. The whole thing caught on and before long I was helping others do it too. We managed to set up quite a few swaps and some people even bought and sold. Again, I got nothing out of it except a good feeling. Well, I am knee deep in my own truck and trying to find parts. The list of people has gotten to be quite a bit to manage, so I am bowing out. That being said, I am going to reveal the source of the 4.10's so you can persue it on your own still.

SO, if you still need to swap your 5.14's for 4.10's, just click over to this thread on the Pirate 4x4 page and let them know what you have and what you want. They are rock crawlers and hill clinbers and such and they want the low gears we want rid of.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axle...-eaton-h072-5-14-trade-eaton-4-10-a.html

So there it is. Secret revealed!!! This is also a pretty good place for anyone looking for a Toyota steering box for a power steering install. I found one.

It has been fun, but just too much to keep track of for me now. I need more time to drive Grigg crazy. LOL. Hope he reads this.

Thanks, and I will still watch the thread and respond if someone wants to ask me something.

I made a similar post over on Pirate 4x4, so they will know where to come if they are hunting 5.14's.

Larry W.
Posted By: Blind1968 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Jan 22 2016 10:06 PM
Thank You Larry!
Posted By: AlexJ Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Jan 28 2016 08:38 PM
Hey guys, I have talked to Larry and am going to try and step in as a liason here as well. I was the Va guy with the 4.10 third and that deal is still pending when we can get the third pulled from the truck.

In the mean time, I'm also interested in buying 5.14 thirds as well. And will find and sell / trade 4.10 thirds any time I come across them and will keep this thread up to speed.

My email address is blackwaterfabrication@gmail.com so if I haven't checked in around here for a while, feel free to give me a bump and say "hey! Found anything new?"

Thanks guys!
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Jan 28 2016 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by AlexJ
Hey guys, I have talked to Larry and am going to try and step in as a liason here as well. I was the Va guy with the 4.10 third and that deal is still pending when we can get the third pulled from the truck.

In the mean time, I'm also interested in buying 5.14 thirds as well. And will find and sell / trade 4.10 thirds any time I come across them and will keep this thread up to speed.

My email address is blackwaterfabrication@gmail.com so if I haven't checked in around here for a while, feel free to give me a bump and say "hey! Found anything new?"

Thanks guys!



Hey Alex
I just pointed Dave your way. (SoundBiscuit I think)

He'll probably be shooting you an e-mail.

Larry W.
Posted By: 06 h3 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 10 2016 02:16 AM
Hey guys new to the forum, Larry helped me out in swapping a 4.10 3rd member to a 5.14. I also have a 4.57 3rd member. Not sure if thats something any of you guys need? If so I can trade and pick up a 2nd 5.14 as I would like to have a spare. Im located in So cal so you know for shipping purposes. Anything far might ruin the deal but I know business to business from So cal to Wisconsin was about 100 bucks.

Thanks,
Chris
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sat Mar 05 2016 02:15 PM
4.10 Eaton rearend in Dallas

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=699046
Posted By: aggie jon Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Mar 16 2016 04:58 AM
In the next few months, I will have a 5.14 third member from a '49 3800 available. I'm in Central Texas. Not sure what it is worth, or if it is worth shipping. I know it is worth scrap metal at least.
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Mar 16 2016 02:02 PM
aggie jon

PM sent
Posted By: WCCC5 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Apr 08 2016 12:44 AM
As many of us are I am looking for the eaton 4.10. If anyone has one please let me know.

Thanks,
Trey in Texas
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Apr 08 2016 01:04 PM
Trey -- You know what to look for in junkyards, right?

If you already have a 5.14 third member, Mrf1002u can hook you up with a swap for 4.10. If not, you have to start checking out the junkyards for a donor. See the tech tip on this upgrade for details about how to find the right center section you need.

Have fun!
Posted By: tom moore Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Apr 08 2016 01:29 PM
I have a 5.14 that is good to go if someone needs it. Another one is waiting for removal from a 1 ton to replace with a 4.10. No need to find a 4.10 for me. If your group needs one or both I can let them go. Tom
Posted By: WCCC5 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sun Apr 10 2016 02:10 AM
Hi John, yes I do know what to look for.....been looking but to no avail. I have a couple of 4.56's in pieces, but do not have a 5.14 I want to part with at this time.

Thanks,
Trey

Posted By: 1Ton_tommy Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sun Apr 10 2016 07:07 PM
WCC5 Trey

I could use a 4.56. Do you have a matched ring and pinion and a good pinion bearing? That would save shipping compared to the whole pumpkin.

--Tom
Posted By: WCCC5 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Sun Apr 10 2016 08:19 PM
Tommy, both of the sets I have are matched sets. Do not have the pinion bearings. PM me with your address and I will see what the shipping will be.

Thanks, Trey
Posted By: KBreese Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Sep 05 2016 03:15 AM
I am also looking to purchase a clean set of 4.10 gears. Mine are trashed so I would not be able to swap. If anyone has a set please let me know.

Kenny
Posted By: forman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Dec 29 2016 06:30 PM
I have a 1950 gmc 1 ton I have retired from farm use and need a better road gear now that we are going on the road. I have found an old trailer that has the 10 bolt rear end and 8 bolt wheels. It is a early 60's chevy with coil springs and leaf spring helpers that look to be factory installed. Any ideas to what the gear ratio might be? Due to the weather and it being hard to get out I would like to know if its worth pulling out.
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Dec 30 2016 01:07 AM
Best methods are counting the teeth or jack up a wheel and count turns, each followed by some math.
Checking it out in person is probably less effort and time and more reliable than searching and speculating on the net.

Good luck!
Posted By: Mrf1002u Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Dec 30 2016 08:22 PM
Just popping in to say Howdy. Haven't been around a while. Glad to see this thread is still alive. Still busy with non-truck projects.

Larry W.
Posted By: fourspeedwagon Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Jan 12 2017 04:13 AM
Is 5.13:1 the only ratio the early ones had? I have been thinking that my 51 gmc 1 ton sports 5.38s. I have found a chunk from a late 60s pickup with 4.11s so I'm fine there, just curious if the 5.38 is a possibility.
Thanks
Posted By: dsteman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Feb 28 2017 10:56 PM
If this is still an active topic I most certainly have a set of 5.14s I'd love to swap for 4.10s
Posted By: Allen Lane Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue May 23 2017 12:59 AM
Larry, ready, willing and able to do a swap. PM me on particulars and we'll get it done.
Many thanks.
Posted By: Ton of Fun Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Mon Jun 05 2017 02:51 AM
I have found 4:57's I currently have 5:14's in 1 Ton Dually ..

I Feel like 55 Mph better to get to shows with , so 4:10 might be a better Fit . .

Full Pumpkin Swap Out , Yeah . .
Posted By: 1990JEEPXJ Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Fri Feb 09 2018 05:23 AM
So I have a 4.57 center section and a 4.10 center. Both open and in good shape. I also have an older style housing with slip on drums. All I’m looking for is a 5.13 center, preferably with a load bolt and in in good shape.
Posted By: pdlightning Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Tue Feb 13 2018 11:08 PM
I switched my 1 ton from 5:14 to 4:10 and have the typical 4 speed. It works great around town, but has a hard time an any grade or hill pulling the hill in 4th. FYI
Posted By: Dusty53 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 14 2018 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by pdlightning
I switched my 1 ton from 5:14 to 4:10 and have the typical 4 speed. It works great around town, but has a hard time an any grade or hill pulling the hill in 4th. FYI

I've been following this 4:10 swap thread and others that are similar, this is the first time I've read about the 4:10 and the issue of pulling hills in fourth gear. Appreciate the information as I've been contemplating the swap. Maybe some other Bolters will share their experience?
Posted By: Grigg Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 14 2018 07:08 PM
Sure, it won't pull as hard in 4th on a hill with 4.10 as it will with 5.14, that's expected.
In my experience it still does just fine, I once passed a semi truck headed up a good hill on I-64, 4th gear, probably 55-65 MPH. That was flat out and didn't need to down shift.

Other steeper hills on local roads you'll down shift, but not always, and I don't see that as an issue.

There will always be hills you have to down shift on, depending on how steep, long, and how fast you can or can't go.


I say go for the swap and don't look back.

If you drive along in high gear and absentmindedly press in the clutch and reach for one more higher gear... It means you're not geared to fast.
I still do this with 4.10 axle gears sometimes.. but not all the time like with 5.14.
Posted By: Dusty53 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 14 2018 07:36 PM
Hey, that's a good point.....searching for that next gear. Thanks Grigg, I needed the reminder.
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Feb 15 2018 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Dusty53
Appreciate the information as I've been contemplating the swap. Maybe some other Bolters will share their experience?


Dusty -- For awhile, I ran the 216/4.10/4-speed SM420/17-inch wheel combo on my 3804. My truck could maintain 70-ish on a flat just fine (but you could tell that was all there was wink ) but as soon as I hit a headwind (or even much of a breeze, let alone wind) or any kind of a hill, it went to 55. A real hill meant dropping a gear. or two ... Not really a show stopper, just more of a slight annoyance at times. And in the back of my mind, I was always worried about what running at the upper right corner of the "Horsepower/thrust Curve" was doing to my valiant splasher 216...

Then I switched to a 261 and ... well, I no longer have these issues wink And the still-good 216 is sleeping peacefully in the corner... for now ...

Just my data point FWIW.

John
Posted By: panel fan Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Feb 15 2018 02:52 PM

After messing around with rear ends I found the switching to an overdrive transmission was the answer. I can actually up shift while climbing a grade,and even when I climb a serious grade and have to down shift the gears are closer together so not much speed is lost. I have a 4.57 rear with a t 5 and 5800 lb 1 ton. and the original 235.
Its by no means a power house, but I can keep up with traffic.
Posted By: Dusty53 Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Thu Feb 15 2018 03:20 PM
Thanks John and Panel Fan - you know, I think I'll eventually get the 4.10 put in and just see how it goes. Right now I've got so much left to do to get mine back on the road that I need to stop the future planning and get back to work on the truck. I appreciate you guys sharing your experiences.
Posted By: Charles Pretzer Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 21 2018 06:12 PM
I'd trade a 5:14 for a 4:10 . Live in elmdale ks. 66850
Posted By: tclederman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 21 2018 08:43 PM
This is not the Swap Meet.

Either contact Ronnie via email or Private Message, or, place a part for sale ad in the Swap Meet.

If you are trying to Swap your 4.10 for a 5.14, you should get a few "takers/swappers".
Posted By: John Milliman Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap - Wed Feb 28 2018 02:25 PM
Or contact Larry (The OP for this thread) as he was the guy who set up the pumpkin trades for a lot of us.
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