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Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts

Posted By: Scott Danforth

Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Sep 05 2009 06:12 PM

Folks, As there are many number of solutions for front and rear suspensions, I though a definitive list would be helpful for those planning projects as well as those of us that ran into problems. I do not want to make this post a debate or discussion topic, only a list of choices by manufacturer (not necessarily distribution), and maybe links to project posts. Maybe the moderators can make it a sticky.

(PM me and I can add to list)

here is a list of items I know of off the top of my head:

1941-1947.1 Chevrolet / GMC trucks:
Dropped Axles by Sid
CE Mustang 2

1947.2-1955.1 AD (Advance Design)
Dropped Axles by Sid
CE Mustang 2
Fat Man Fabrication Mustang 2
1973-1987 1/2T IFS shortened and modified
GM Metric IFS kit
C4 Corvette IFS kit
C4 Corvette IRS Kit

1955.2-1959 TF (Task Force)
Dropped Axles by Sid
1973-1987 IFS bolted in.
link

1960-1966:

1967-1972:
Posted By: Grigg

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Sep 05 2009 07:41 PM

Axle swaps for 1.5 ton, 2 ton, and even 1 ton.
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/bigbolts/p30swap/
This also gives a 2" drop from stock on the front, or new springs solve that problem and get the truck back up where it is supposed to be.

The front is not an easy or "bolt on" swap, the rear can be a simple bolt in, depending on what you find.

Grigg
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Oct 22 2009 02:51 AM

Additional links that will be helpful.

http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/dload/LDPDF/P12.pdf
http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/pdf/LD/LD_ST_Truck/LD_ST_Truck_pgs.pdf
http://www.gmupfitter.com/publicat/dload/LDPDF/LM.PDF
Posted By: Joe H

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Oct 22 2009 04:02 PM

Maybe you could a section of personnel experiences with springs and/or shocks then we could add what we found to work on our own trucks.

Joe
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Oct 22 2009 10:56 PM

If you have a thread with a specific project we will add it to the list.
Posted By: WE b OLD

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Oct 23 2009 01:42 PM

pacer ifs with 2" shorter springs from Eaton Detroit springs.
Posted By: dale937

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Oct 23 2009 04:26 PM

I used the TCI front suspension package on my 55 2nd series.I have had good luck with it,course the main thing is to follow the instructions and make sure your measurments are correct.I measured and marked mine several times before welding the crossbrace in place. I also cut one coil off of the springs,and the truck has that mean and sassy look.It also drives and handles just great.Although I used the TCI setup I imagine there are several other brands on the market that will work out just as good.The main things in a new front suspension are,dont get in a hurry,and make sure your measurements are correct.Just one more thing to add here,when you are finished,get a good frontend allignment.
Posted By: Leon

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sun Oct 25 2009 03:08 PM

Scott,

For the 55-59 there are several source for Mustang II style fronts.

Fatman Fabrications - http://www.fatmanfab.com
HEIDTS - http://www.heidts.com
TCI Engineering - http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/

regards,
Leon
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Jan 02 2010 09:55 PM

Thanks to Rob (Mobileortho) for this link

Those putting a 73-87 front end in a truck and find it a bit wide

http://www.classicperform.com/NewProducts/ModularDropSpindles/Modular_Drop_Spindle.htm

these spindles will suck in the wheels 1 1/8" per side.
Posted By: barnescole

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Wed Jan 06 2010 04:58 AM

i found the fatman fab mII kit to be very easy to install. we've used it on 3 ADs now. handling is great, no fender clearance issues. also found that moving the engine forward 1.0" from their recommendation helps with steering clearances.
Posted By: Bread

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Jan 04 2013 10:46 PM

Gents,
I have went with TCI kit for the front and back end of my 39' truck. I was wanting a daily driver w/dependability that I'll stay on the road while keeping up with traffic. The kits I have are designed for the truck so all I had to do was follow the instructions provided and the the supervision of my good friend that was overlooking the work.

Bread

Mustang II,
4 link rear,
TCI
.
Posted By: BossHawg

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Jan 14 2013 06:11 PM

Someone pointed me in the direction of a company that makes Mustang 2 kits that are a good bit cheaper than most if not all of the companies I've looked at. I've contacted him through email and he currently doesn't make corvette kits due to not having many people call wanting to use them but he offered to send a proposal.
Gayleco
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Feb 11 2013 08:25 PM

having hung a few of the corvette components under a few vehicles, the aluminum a-arms and a-arm pivots are known to bend if you hit a good pot-hole.

I would stick with a good tubular A-arm under a truck.
Posted By: Dogface

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Feb 12 2013 10:59 AM

Great thread. I'm just getting some safety issues resolved but have this IFS conversion on my mind. I looked at the Gayleco web site and it appears that his kit does not include R&P steering but I coulda missed it...was a quick look. The CPP kit includes power R&P for about $2100

Edit: Guess I was incorrect about the R&P steering.... I would love to hear from guys who have used this kit...significant savings...
Posted By: R-Bo

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Wed Feb 27 2013 07:47 PM

Going with a No Limit Fatbar 4-link and F*rd 8.8 on the rear of my Task Force. Fatman MII on the front, they are local so I was compelled to use them on at least one end.

Starting on the rear soon, just finished up mocking in the 21 gal aluminum No Limit EFI tank.
Posted By: vickraft

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Apr 11 2013 07:16 AM

As a first time builder doing a complete frame off, I also installed IFS kit from TCI in my 51 Chevy shortbox build. I think for the price,quality and doing what its designed to, they have got it right. Handles quite nicely. I wouldn't hasitate to use this kit again.
Posted By: Canada_Rob

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Apr 15 2013 03:25 PM

Using a Welder Series Mustang 2 crossmember on the front of my '49 chevy pickup. Automotive origami!
http://www.welderseries.com/online-store/category/mustang-ii-crossmember-kits/

Haven't bought the other front end components as yet.
Speedway has some very interesting pricing though

Been looking at this setup from full tilt hotrods for the rear.
http://www.fulltiltstreetrods.com/rearsusp.htm
This system looks really tidy in the pictures and appears to be fairly easy to setup. it bolts to the factory front spring hanger holes. Has anyone tried this setup out?

I have a '96 F*rd explorer 8.8 rear axle with disk brakes, limited slip and 3.73 gears.

It is all going to sit on airbags.
I'm leaning towards the "Plug-n-Play" compressor system with height control.

Rob
Posted By: Roadmarks

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Apr 22 2013 01:15 PM

Scott, If you want to add this, here it is.

The crossmembers from 1963 through 1987/8 will will interchange, as will steering boxes. "A" arms will, too as will spindles. Be aware there are differences in tie rod ends, "A" arm bushings, and ball joints across the years. 1/2T fits1/2T; 3/4T fits 3/4T. I don't know about 1T. In Power Steering, somewhere around 1980 GM went metric on the steering box and pump fittings. Some of the venders have adapter tie rod ends that fit late spindles and early tie rods for 1/2Ts. All the 3/4T joints, bushings, and ends SEEM to be the same.

Power steering must use power steering pitman arm and standard steering must use standard steering pitman arm!

1960 through 1962 are totally different. I have no idea what fits what there.

Best wishes,

Les
Posted By: Dogface

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu May 30 2013 08:25 AM

Front IFS is done and I really like the changes in safety and driveability but it still rides like a buckboard... Yes, I realize it is 49 tech behind the IFS so what changes should I make for the rear? I want to change over to modern tube shocks, but what else ?....new leaf springs ? What have all you old time truckers done?
Posted By: Shamus

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sun Jun 16 2013 09:29 PM

I have a TCI MII w/power R&P (10-12 yrs old)under the front & a Chassis Engineering leaf spring kit under the rear of my 1st '55 w/'80 Camaro 10 bolt. It rides great - smooth. I did knock the alignment out 2 years ago on a trip to NYC & Boston because of all the pot holes, dips, rises & other failings of big city roads. Had it re-aligned & great since. I'll be making that trip again in a couple of weeks but will take it easy on the FDR (SURELY THE WORST ROAD IN THE COUNTRY). Rides and handles as good as my '93 Chevrolet Sport Truck & '04 Tahoe but a lot more fun. I have a similar set up under my '56 3100 (front & back TCI) that is not quite finished. TCI usually has some good buys at the bigger shows thru their network of venders. Free shipping. Their current MII is improved over mine to prevent alignment being knocked out.
Posted By: vettecrazy

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Jul 04 2013 11:22 PM

Just got one of Scott's front cross member kits tacked in and I like what I have seen. Did not want to use Pinto/Mustang style IFS system. I'm using tube type frt upper arms and s10 lower arms with drop spindles. I will have far less than 2100 in mine complete and that is another plus for me. Will use someone's 4 link on the rear--haven't crossed that bridge yet but so far so good. My 2 cents....
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Jul 13 2013 08:58 AM

Thanks for the kind words Don.
Posted By: joker

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Wed Aug 14 2013 10:39 AM

this may already be on the list but
an update might not hurt

their stuff worked well on my 52 sedan
Posted By: mobileortho

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Oct 11 2013 02:46 AM

As you know, I did the 73-87 Chevy swap but a buddy of mine on another site took it to another level. He shortened his control arms by moving the ball joints and added a rack. He has the work detailed here.
Posted By: carolines truck

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Nov 16 2013 10:25 PM

on our 51 - 3104 i did a 1977 4x4 rear axle. offset kit 1.5'' and added another 1''.
she now has 2'' wide brake shoes. easy swap that fit nicely under the rear. placed an under bed 16 gal tank and two into one headers off tom's stovebolt headers flange

Posted By: Gmans 46

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Dec 07 2013 02:42 AM

TCI with coil overs on a 46 worked well for me.
Posted By: Hot Rod John

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Jan 03 2014 11:08 PM

I've made numerous modifications to my 1965 C10 SWB's suspension and have written some how to threads also. Here are some links:

Frame Notch Based On Strength: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=20312

Upper Rear Shock Relocation 63-72: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?p=88325#

Track Bars, The Short and The Long Of It: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=14368/

Rear Lowering Springs - Lessons Learned: http://c10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17219

And my build thread has more details of suspension changes and other assorted bizarre modifications. yahoo
Lakeroadsters' Build Thread 1965 SWB Stepside: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=13928

Hope these help! thumbs_up

John
Posted By: wave1957

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Jan 06 2014 09:43 PM

Flat out Engineering has kits to mount C4 Corvette front and rear suspensions for the '55-'59 trucks, and various other vehicles. The boss Don is very friendly and helpful: when I had emailed him a question about the kit, he called me right back, because he thought it was better to be able to talk about my question rather than email back and forth!
Rear end kits are true bolt-ons, very easy to install, even on a Suburban without removing the body.
http://www.flatout-engineering.com/
Posted By: Weeds

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sun Jul 06 2014 07:53 PM

I installed Steve Andereggens IFS on my 49 Suburban using 84 GMC front crossmember shortened 1 & 5/8 inches. While a good solid heavy duty truck suspension I ran into the following issues.

1. Raises the front of the truck up higher and destroys the stock look which I wanted to keep.
2. Installed 2 inch lowered front spindles to get the stock look back which changes the front end geometry making it impossible to line up. Cant get enough caster.
3. Although it drives well, doesn't wander and rides good the steering wheel will not return to the neutral centering position after turning a corner because of the insufficient caster problem. Also it ate up my front tires at 5500 miles.

This conversion is economical and safe and a plus is that it is a truck IFS and if you are not concerned about losing the stock look it works fine.

I have bought Scott Danforths kit and am in the process of installing it now. I like the idea of using stock S-10 parts.



Weeds
Posted By: Scott Danforth

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Wed Sep 03 2014 12:28 AM

Weeds, post pics and I will include in my thread http://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthreads...;Main=46889&Number=338344#Post338344 and on my customers pictures page http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/scott_danforth/library/Crossmember%20Customers?sort=3&page=1
Posted By: hopalong66

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Wed Feb 04 2015 08:51 PM

do I understand that using a 73-87 chevy truck subframe bolted onto a 51 chevy truck 3100 original chassis and by using the cpp modular drop spindle will position the track width near the 53 original track width with no alignment problems?
thanks, phil
Posted By: mikec4193

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Feb 06 2015 06:15 PM

Hi Everyone

I hung a pair of 1990's 1/2 ton rear Chevy truck leaf springs on my 1952/53 1 ton Chevy truck I call "Howard Knapp" I bought the both rear springs with all the hangers still attached (local price was $200.00). Took me a week with the "Liquid Wrench" to get everything loosened up so I can hang them on the 1952/53 Chevy frame. 16 5/16" x 1" long hardened steel hex head screws and the rear springs were in place. I had to cut the 1985 Chevy Blazer spring perches and I bought a pair from "Speedway Motors" spring perches...I think I had to move the perches out about 1/2" on each side. 1985 Chevy Blazer rear shocks from Rock Auto. Had to fabricate some hangers for this stuff tho...

Hope this helps someone out.

MikeC
Posted By: jcrapola

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sun Aug 09 2015 02:32 AM

I used a trailing arm rear suspension from jimenez bros in California, and a jaguar IFS in my 51. Still working on the drivetrain, so no review yet..
Posted By: William Edmonds

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Oct 19 2015 12:42 AM

So what does everyone thing about other ifs installations, from a nova,camero,firebird ect.. I know everyone makes kits and you can buy them and they come with instructions, what about the gray area of figure it out by yourself kinda wrench turning. Just wondering because I am thinking about taking a project of my own 71 nova sub frame on to a 1951 3600 chevy.
Posted By: Rusty Rod

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Nov 03 2015 06:39 PM

I installed a Heidts weld in kit on my 39 chevy pickup.

I worked perfectly, even though the frame was bent a bit behind the right front spring, which caused an 1/8" difference in length from side to side. I split the difference. It rolled straight down the freeway.
Posted By: BnJ

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Fri Nov 06 2015 04:20 PM

hey Guys,
Im just adding my 2 cents here: I put a 1988 C1500 rear
end under my 50 AD. Used the stock springs,hangers,and shock mounts and moved the spring saddles and shock mounts on the rear end. The stock 88 Chevy PU wheels with 255/70R 15 tires fit perfectly and line up just inside the running boards. The set up looks great especially since I didn't want to use deep dish positive offset wheels. So your rear end list doesn't need to stop at 1987,
fyi, Bill
Posted By: Chad M

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Sat Nov 28 2015 09:24 AM

Does anyone have good info on where to locate the mounts for rear shocks on a 1953 1-ton GMC? Mine has nothing, so I ordered some generic weld-on brackets to mount modern shocks. But I don't know where best to put them.
Posted By: BnJ

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Feb 16 2016 04:38 PM

I used the set up from Chassis Engineering purchased through JPL speed. Bolt in easy to install, 11in Chevy format brakes, and free shipping....about $2300 with sway bar. I did cut a coil off the springs to soften them up. Used the "steering column saver" original column with 2 U joints and a 3/4in DD shaft. works great.

Have fun,
Bill
Posted By: 55 SHAKER

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Feb 16 2016 06:14 PM

I always thought if you shorten a coil spring you make it stiffer. I've been wrong before.
Posted By: BnJ

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Mon Mar 07 2016 05:16 PM

Hey Guys, one thing to consider when going to a MII front end is the original AD frame design has no welds. They were all riveted together which is part of the AD design. Most of the MII front end "systems" are weld in and require the frame to be boxed in to maintain the original frame strength. To box in part of a frame is a tedious job to make look clean and neat. With this concept in mind, I used a MII system from Chassis Engineering that bolts in the cross member and spring hangers and necessary hard ware and no frame boxing is necessary.
just an fyi
Posted By: Joe H

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu May 12 2016 02:53 PM

I went another way this winter and spring, I had custom leaf springs made. I used Detroit Spring. I had to weigh the truck at each corner using digital scales, then weighed the unsprung weight (axles, tires & wheels, shocks, and anything not above the springs), plus send all the measurements of the leaves. It took awhile to get all the information gathered up. I even checked the old springs for spring rate. Spring weight is the amount weight it takes to compress the springs 1". I had to come up with some small axles and roller bearings, plus a steel plate so there was no drag on the leaf ends when compressing them.

The new springs are much softer with teflon buttons at each leaf end. I am real happy with it and it still sets up like a truck and looks the way a truck should look.

Total cost for all four plus new u-bolts and bushings was $1475. Shipping was $240 of that. To me it was worth it, the ride is just as good as my '03 Toyota, maybe better.

Joe
Posted By: Guycamm55

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Nov 29 2016 12:09 AM

dale

I have a 55 2nd series and I am doing several projects this winter ..The front brakes need to be upgraded . I was thinking about going the MII route like you did ,but I am wondering if that kind of financial expenditure is worth the investment .? I have to buy or have my current motor rebuilt the truck also needs wheels and tire and an interior and I am going to rewire it ...

could you send me some pics to my email address of your truck . my email is guycamm@hotmail.com ...

thank you
Posted By: Guycamm55

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Nov 29 2016 12:12 AM

dale

I have a 55 2nd series and I am doing several projects this winter ..The front brakes need to be upgraded . I was thinking about going the MII route like you did ,but I am wondering if that kind of financial expenditure is worth the investment .? I have to buy or have my current motor rebuilt the truck also needs wheels and tire and an interior and I am going to rewire it ...

could you send me some pics to my email address of your truck . my email is guycamm@hotmail.com ...

thank you
Posted By: 1934Chevrolet

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Sep 14 2017 03:16 PM

I really like the 68/72 Nova front end stubbed under the 39/40 1/2 tons and the S-10 rear in the rear on Camaro springs. Worked great for 100k plus miles.
Posted By: WE b OLD

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Jul 12 2018 12:50 AM

I have a 79 AMC Pacer under my 1954 3100 and have used it since 1985. There was a kit to install it bought for 99.00. This.
Posted By: Borbas

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Sep 06 2018 03:30 PM

We B OLD: I saw the "kit" to install the Pacer front end on your 54 but I am wondering if this would work on my 55 Cameo or if the company makes something for my truck? Your thoughts?
Posted By: Hotrod Lincoln

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Thu Sep 06 2018 04:53 PM

The trick will be finding a Pacer to scavenge. They're about as scarce as honest politicians or NFL linemen who can read and write! A Nova would be a lot easier to find in a salvage yard.
Jerry
Posted By: Anthony Myrick

Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts - Tue Dec 18 2018 04:03 PM

I have a pacer front end
a rebuild kit and an installation kit somewhere in my garage
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