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Posted By: GMONIZ Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Fri Nov 06 2009 07:19 AM
I am posting this one in the suburban section, not to advertise, but to share lot's of great photo's that show lot's of details, including the spare tire carrier. Great under carriage shots and interior shots too. This should help answer a lot of questions that we all have regarding these suburbans. Not a 100 % correct, but close to it.

RESTORED 1951 CHEVROLET SUBURBAN
Posted By: TrknGMC Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Fri Nov 06 2009 12:43 PM
Awesome! Fantastic looking. That looks so good I might consider painting mine green.
Posted By: pplummer Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Fri Nov 06 2009 03:03 PM
You ARE the man! This is great.
Posted By: Cletis Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Nov 07 2009 03:17 AM
Someone needs to steal those pictures and put them on Photobucket for future reference.
Thanks for the information. I saved most of the pics. Thats the same color scheme I have on my 51. I wonder what the reserve is?
Posted By: TrknGMC Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Mon Nov 09 2009 01:04 PM
I called and spoke with Tony on Friday. He has it on the showroom floor at 60k. He tells me the reserve is just north of 50k. I told him at those prices he might be best to roll it over to Barrett Jackson. I would be suprised if breaks 30k on E-bay.

I saved a bunch of photos also. Great looking Suburban.
Posted By: GMONIZ Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Thu Nov 19 2009 06:23 AM
He's relisted it for a buy it now price @ $67,500

Nice truck but not $67 K worth.
OK, here I go. My opinion.
As pretty as a fully restored original is and the hard work and dedication it takes to get one right. At some point they have to be drivable at highway speeds and a Streetrod is much easier to recover your investment.
Go ahead,start in! But with that said lets go back to the passion part. If someone wants to then go for it! I have seen diappointments though when the time comes to sell it?
Don't get me wrong this Burb is nice but not a diehard full bore restro but is priced as if they 100% hired it out.
Posted By: TrknGMC Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Fri Nov 20 2009 11:37 PM
It only got bid to 26k on the E-bay. My guess is at this price it will be for sale for some time.........
Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Nov 21 2009 05:31 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chev...mQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9c5d74cd

It's at about 100% over-priced (the price an original-spec 47-55 Suburban supposedly went-for at Barrett-Jackson a few years ago).

"You would swear that GM performed the restoration or you were standing next to it in a local Chevrolet dealership in 1950 showing off the new 51 models. He's partially right on this one: GM Heritage restorations are not completely "true to original"; and, whitewalls would not have been on one from the factory (at a dealership).

Nonetheless, it's a beautiful vehicle.

Tim

Although it is one of the nicest burbs I have seen...
I must nit pick alittle { only because the guy wants $65,000 for it.

Cheesy radio.
Hood fit to fenders & cowl leaves alot to be desired.
Used the cheapo chinese belt line tail lights rather than the original Guide lights.
Cheapo $10 chrome directional switch on steering column.
Choke & throttle control knobs are mounted in the wrong places.
No rubber seal between the rear splash apron & rear bumper.
Fuse cover on the firewall is missing.
Front motor mounts on the side of the block denote a car motor ...not a truck motor {so much for the all original driveline claim }.
Fuel filter to carb is all wrong.
The inner skins of the rear doors have dents that were just painted over.
Rubber stops on rear doors are missing so no doubt they will rattle like crazy & might even fly open while driving.
Pin stripe around the beltline is the wrong thickness & positioned in the wrong place around the beltline.
Rear door taillight is mounted wrong.... the bracket between the rubber gasket & door is supposed to be on the inside of the door.

Its a nice starting place but, this truck would need alot of fine tuning to get it even close to the asking price.
Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sun Nov 22 2009 12:57 AM

3M,

Thanks for starting this list. I made a list but you hit most of them (and more). Here's a few others (only posting these because of the $67K minimum nono ):

- plastic-coated wiring
- white-wall tires
- chrome strip on hood
- knobs on window-regulator handles
- rear tail/stop base-plate color (or, is this supposed to be inside the door)?
- outside mirror style
- 60 psi oil pressure gauge (30psi - it still has an original-style low-pressure 216)
- inner sides of rear doors have lots of little dents
- hood side-emblems (missing the 3100 plates)?

Tim

Posted By: GMONIZ Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sun Nov 22 2009 09:38 AM
Hey guys I was refraining from picking this one apart. If we do, we should provide documentation or pictures to show the discrepancies. I agree with what has been said, but for those who want to learn need more information.

The gauges are incorrect because Chevrolet used a 30# oil pressure with the 216 and GMC used a 60# oil pressure gauge with their full pressure 228.

Also Chevrolet used a 212 temperature gauge while GMC use a 220 degree gauge. Chevrolet adopted the 220 degree gauge in 1953.

The most blatant discrepancy to me is the use of the chrome moulding down the hood. No where can you find in original documentation a chrome hood strip.

There is lot's of little things wrong as you have both pointed out. The hood latch and the rear door checks have been painted. The coil is blue instead of black. He used carpet in the back and carpet under the jump seat. The 1947/53 Suburban back floor originally had a tan battleship linoleum with grooves and there was a black mat under the jump seat, although I have never seen a complete front mat in a suburban. The overflow tube located on the cowl is too long, it should be about 3 inches shorter!

The interior color looks to me to be off. The dash seems to be more of a satin finish and the brown on the seat frames looks to be muted too.

Unfortunately this post will expire once the pictures are no longer available. As I have suggested before, we need to put together an archive that can retrieve good information like Tim and mothertrucker have provided for all of us to review in the future.

I would not pay 67K for any car or truck let alone a truck I would be afraid to drive like this one. I don't think most people can build one for less than $30,000 as nice as this one though. It is a little disappointing that he used so many reproduction parts though!
I really like the detail ya'll have! This will really help when I go back together with my burb. Thanks!
Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sun Nov 22 2009 05:22 PM

George,

The photo through the back door shows a grooved/ribbed tan floormat (unless that is a grooved carpet?). That looks good to me. Thich tan linoleum is still available in the USA. I wish the black linoleum was available for those of us with 54/55 Suburbans.

Tim

Posted By: GMONIZ Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sun Nov 22 2009 06:37 PM
Tim, I enlarged the picture of the view of the space between the two rear seats, and to me this looks like striped carpet. The lines appear to be on top of the material and not grooved. Look at the front floor mat and you can see the grooves, so I am sure that the camera used had the ability to show the grooves in the back if they were there.

Who is making the battleship linoleum in large enough sheets for the suburban? I had a guy that was interested in making it by hand a few years ago, but I had no takers at the time. I didn't want to put a lot of money up front without any demand.

This DEALER sells it in black too. But he does not provide a picture of the product nor the available sizes. I think this was the guy that I contacted several years ago and he sold them in smaller pieces than we needed for the suburban. I also think his product is smooth and not ribbed.

Tim do you agree that we need to develop an archive that is useful on the Stovebolt? I like what Rob did on oldgmctrucks.com by having "The Hall of Fame" section.

I have removed thousands of old posts over the years that were no longer valid or had expired links. I did that because every time I tried to use the search feature I just got lot's of garbage including expired swapmeet ads.

Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sun Nov 22 2009 08:01 PM

George,

The company at your link Battleship Linoleum had the tan (brown) linoleum that was wide enough for the suburban and thick enough to route grooves in it. He did not have the black linoleum in a thickness that could be routed/grooved.

The seller is quite friendly and informative. He has an old article on how to make a jog in order to route the grooves in the thicker linoleum.

The linoleum was made in two thicknesses and the thicker rolls were no longer being imported (from Scotland, via Canada). I bought 8' of the thinner black linoleum. It was plenty wide for my Suburban.

Tim
Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Tue Nov 24 2009 11:48 AM

George,

Regarding an archive of informative posts, that's a good idea. It would also be nice to be able to archive the photos, but there might be copyright issues.

Tim

Posted By: Cletis Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Dec 12 2009 06:07 AM
For what it's worth, here's what's left of the floor mat under my jump seat. I have no idea if it is original.
Posted By: GMONIZ Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Dec 12 2009 08:03 AM
Originally Posted by cletis
For what it's worth, here's what's left of the floor mat under my jump seat. I have no idea if it is original.


That's what I suspected that they would look like. You still have the piece that goes under the mounting rail too. Can I save this for future reference? Thanks
Posted By: Cletis Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Dec 12 2009 08:17 AM
Feel free to save it.
Posted By: tclederman Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Dec 12 2009 02:20 PM

Cletis,

During your restoration, if you remove the metal piece that goes on the floor under the rear-support under the "jump seat", would you mind taking pictures and making measurements? I'd like to fabricate a few of them.

Posted By: Cletis Re: Pictures of a restored 1951 Chevrolet Suburban - Sat Dec 12 2009 07:36 PM
If I do a restoration, will do. However, I'm thinking of it as a survivor. With the brake upgrade it is mechanically sound. Why not drive it as is a while? I know it aint pretty, but it's so ugly it's cute. Kind of like a mongrel pup.
Hey guys...did anyone save the pictures (as was sicussed here) before the auction disappeared?

Looking for some of the interior ones.

Thanks!. PM me if you would...?
I have pics of the Green one. Is that the one?
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