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door alignment on 53 #997700
Wed Jan 08 2014 01:54 AM
Wed Jan 08 2014 01:54 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
Doing a complete resto on a 53 3100 and have rebuilt the door hinges with new pins and oversized bushing and installed new rubber. I have the door aligned pretty good with the gap and belt moulding but now it won't close. I have adjusted the striker plate out as far as possible and the hinges out but the door needs another Inch to close properly at the rear of the door. I can see it make contact with the rubber strip across the floor on the front of the door. The doors used to close before i painted them. Any ideas, Please.

Last edited by basham; Wed Jan 08 2014 01:56 AM.
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997703
Wed Jan 08 2014 01:57 AM
Wed Jan 08 2014 01:57 AM
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DADS50  Offline
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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: DADS50] #997710
Wed Jan 08 2014 02:26 AM
Wed Jan 08 2014 02:26 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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no, but the latches are not the problem yet. The door won't close enough to engage the striker and the striker is all the way out to the edge. I can force the door to almost close but should not have to do it. Both doors are the same.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997716
Wed Jan 08 2014 02:57 AM
Wed Jan 08 2014 02:57 AM
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CASO  Offline
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Great link Dad.
That's what I can a Tech Tip!
I wish I'd of come across that one when I was doing my BC door's. Even though it's 2 versions away from the TF/BC it's an easy translation.
Thanks


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997741
Wed Jan 08 2014 04:13 AM
Wed Jan 08 2014 04:13 AM
Achipmunk  Offline
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Boiling Springs, S. C. 29316
basham, are you sure the weather stripping is on correct? I just have to ask.


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: Achipmunk] #997952
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:11 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:11 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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As best i can tell. I looked at pics on this site and the short side goes toward the door and that's what i did. Maybe i can take a pic and post it.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997955
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:27 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:27 AM
Tiny  Offline
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If it's not on correct it'll hold the door open and make it difficult to close. I'll see if I can find a video I watched a while back about installing the door weatherstrip. If I can find it I'll post the link. Here you go.

Last edited by Tiny; Thu Jan 09 2014 01:32 AM.

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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997958
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:37 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 01:37 AM
tclederman  Offline
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Jarvisburg, NC
basham,

Alan Horvath shows the door weatherstrip installation on his website. He shows a Steele Rubber drawing for the orientation of the weatherstrip. It sounds like you have it on right.



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1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997971
Thu Jan 09 2014 02:21 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 02:21 AM
Achipmunk  Offline
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.... and I think JimCarter has a pic of it on his site. Here is how I have mine on and from all I could learn it is correct.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r19/LutherParris/52Panel/000_0216.jpg

basham, let us know what you find out. It'll save a lot of us from learning the hard way!!


1937 Chevy Pickup
1952 Chevy Panel
Pictures in my Photobucket
1950 Chevy Coupe

52 Chevy Panel

I'd rather walk and carry a Chevy hub cap than ride in a Ferd.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you smile
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #997987
Thu Jan 09 2014 03:34 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 03:34 AM
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52Carl  Offline
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Virginia
Is it binding real tight at the hinge side of the door? If so, you may need to loosen the hinge bolts on the pillar and move the door outward to relieve the bind. The book calls for the door to be flush to 1/16" out. It also calls for 1/8" minimum gap between door edge and cowl edge. This would also relieve the bind. Aren't doors fun?
Carl

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998015
Thu Jan 09 2014 04:54 AM
Thu Jan 09 2014 04:54 AM
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bluedot38  Offline
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Thinking that Steele Rubber has some online videos on UTube as well, helpful info. MIke

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: 52Carl] #998194
Fri Jan 10 2014 12:44 AM
Fri Jan 10 2014 12:44 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
Looks like the drivers door seal is wrong. Don't know how I did that. Passenger door looks right, but will not shut either. I"ll try adusting it some more as i really have'nt messed with it. So, what's the best way to remove the new seal from the drivers door. Yes, doors are fun.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998221
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:38 AM
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:38 AM
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52Carl  Offline
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Virginia
Originally Posted by basham
Looks like the drivers door seal is wrong. Don't know how I did that. Passenger door looks right, but will not shut either. I"ll try adusting it some more as i really have'nt messed with it. So, what's the best way to remove the new seal from the drivers door. Yes, doors are fun.

Pull and pray. The adhesive should stay on the door. The problem will be getting the seal off in bigger than shelled peanut sized pieces. I wouldn't worry about removing the adhesive from the door as it should be OK to add new adhesive over it.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: 52Carl] #998223
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:50 AM
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:50 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
kinda what I figured. I'll get started. thanks.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998226
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:57 AM
Fri Jan 10 2014 02:57 AM
Achipmunk  Offline
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Posts: 14,651
Boiling Springs, S. C. 29316
Had to take one of my rear door strips off the panel. I rubbed some gasoline on the side of it, peeled off what would come off then used a rag soaked in kerosene to get the rest of it off.

Not saying its the right way but its what I had in the shop and it worked. Kind of slow go but not that bad.


1937 Chevy Pickup
1952 Chevy Panel
Pictures in my Photobucket
1950 Chevy Coupe

52 Chevy Panel

I'd rather walk and carry a Chevy hub cap than ride in a Ferd.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you smile
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: Achipmunk] #998637
Sun Jan 12 2014 01:27 AM
Sun Jan 12 2014 01:27 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
After taking a look at the passenger side, it look like the seal is on correctly. I adjusted the door but it still won't close. when lifting up on the door i notice a little movemet. Now i think the hinge is not tight. Maybe it's just time to buy new hinges. Ouch.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998678
Sun Jan 12 2014 03:26 AM
Sun Jan 12 2014 03:26 AM
Achipmunk  Offline
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Boiling Springs, S. C. 29316
basham, there is a tech tip for rebuilding the hinges. I've rebuilt quite a few of them for myself and for others. Just follow the tech tip...... I will say that if the pins are hard to come out then heat them, or take them to someone who can, and get them out without destroying the hinge body or the tongue. You can do it and save monneeeeeey.


1937 Chevy Pickup
1952 Chevy Panel
Pictures in my Photobucket
1950 Chevy Coupe

52 Chevy Panel

I'd rather walk and carry a Chevy hub cap than ride in a Ferd.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you smile
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: Achipmunk] #998695
Sun Jan 12 2014 04:50 AM
Sun Jan 12 2014 04:50 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
I've already rebuilt them. thers is still some slop.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998763
Sun Jan 12 2014 04:36 PM
Sun Jan 12 2014 04:36 PM
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Nevada

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #998783
Sun Jan 12 2014 05:58 PM
Sun Jan 12 2014 05:58 PM
tclederman  Offline
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Posts: 27,953
Jarvisburg, NC
basham,

Did you rebuild them with over-sized pins? If thety are still loose, those pins were not over-sized enough.

I have successfully used these hinge-pin repair kits when I could not find tight enough over-sized pins.

As you have probably figured-out, if your pin holes are too "wallowed-out", new/replacement hinges will be needed.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 50 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: tclederman] #998798
Sun Jan 12 2014 06:38 PM
Sun Jan 12 2014 06:38 PM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
what i used was a combination of those pins and bussing and the ones with the longer pins i already had laying around. I think it's just time for new hinges.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1001479
Fri Jan 24 2014 01:09 AM
Fri Jan 24 2014 01:09 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
Well, I can't win. Installed the new hinges and replaced the weatherstrip on the drivers door, the correct way this time and still can't close it. This is driveing me nuts. Any advice.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1001841
Sat Jan 25 2014 02:35 PM
Sat Jan 25 2014 02:35 PM
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DADS50  Offline
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Can you pst a few pictures.


Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1002136
Sun Jan 26 2014 07:55 PM
Sun Jan 26 2014 07:55 PM
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nels1954  Offline
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Meridian Idaho
I bought new hinges from the Truck Shop. Installed the new hinges and neither door would close. Tried to adjust both hinges on the door. Removed the new hinges and reinstalled the old hinges. Then I was able to close the doors. I took the new hinges apart for an inspection. The new hinges were drilled off center. No wonder there was a problem. So I rebuilt the old hinges. Now the doors close and open correct. The new hinges are junk. Plan to write a letter to the complaint Truck Shop.


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: nels1954] #1002865
Thu Jan 30 2014 01:02 AM
Thu Jan 30 2014 01:02 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
Been messing with my doors and put new striker plates on today for a 53 and got the drivers door to close on 1 click. I'm starting to wonder if i have the right door latches. How can i tell if the latches match the strikers. The new strickers look different than the ones i took of the truck. Is it possible someone has mis matched the door looks and striker plates. I bought the new strikers from classic chevy for a 53. Maybe a picture of each.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1002873
Thu Jan 30 2014 01:37 AM
Thu Jan 30 2014 01:37 AM
truckernix  Offline
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Bracebridge Ontario Canada
If you take the striker plate off, does the door close flush with the cab? If it doesn't then the problem is not the lock or plate.


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: truckernix] #1003099
Fri Jan 31 2014 12:33 AM
Fri Jan 31 2014 12:33 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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ohio
I really have to put my weight into it to close it. but it will close. Still about a half inch from touching at the bottom. Going to have someone help me this weekend. cause it's going to be a two person job.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1003159
Fri Jan 31 2014 04:03 AM
Fri Jan 31 2014 04:03 AM
truckernix  Offline
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Bracebridge Ontario Canada
It sounds like your doors are binding, maybe at the front post/cowl. If that is so and you push hard enough, you will bend the area and cause damage that is very hard to repair. I am just trying to give you a head's up.


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1012532
Sat Mar 08 2014 12:30 AM
Sat Mar 08 2014 12:30 AM
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basham  Offline OP
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Ok. back on the doors again. Yes, it feels like they are binding at the front or at least it feels like it. Again, gaps are good new striker and clip kit on latch, new hinges and the old hinges fit the same as new. belt line is good. I have the striker plate adjusted to where the door will latch ok but from the belt line down it tapers from a little to 1/2 inch out at the bottom. Doors used to fit alot better before i took them off the truck to paint. Getting very frustrated. door closes freely to about 2 inches from closing but once I get to that part i have to push on in. Need more ideas. Thanks.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1028015
Mon May 12 2014 02:21 AM
Mon May 12 2014 02:21 AM
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CraigK  Offline
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Sask, Canada
The rubber needs to be *trained* to go flat ( shrink ) into place. I have heard of guys having to use bungie cords to get the doors close to closed, let them sit for a week, then they will start to catch on the latches. How did you make out anyway? I spent 6 months on the cab, and have 3 months into the doors and they still don't fit right. But they work. I am just never going to be happy with the lines.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: CraigK] #1095052
Wed Apr 01 2015 11:37 PM
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basham  Offline OP
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Ok, as you can tell this is an old post of mine and I really hate to bring it up again but it might help someone in the future. I put the truck on the road about a yr ago and it has been alot of fun to drive. I've gone back and forth with the doors and just could not figure out why they wouldn't close flush with the back of the cab. Well after more tinkering with them last night I had a thought that never really occured to me. Wait for it. I took the striker plates and switched them from right to left and guess what happened when i close the door. That's right, they closed perfectly. Don't recall there being a left or right. So at the risk of sounding like an idiot i'm posting this just in case anyone out there runs into a door issue.

Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1095139
Thu Apr 02 2015 03:18 PM
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LOL- great news! Congrats. Maybe this is why I'm doing my doors but just one door at a time.


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Re: door alignment on 53 [Re: basham] #1304050
Thu Mar 21 2019 02:40 PM
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tclederman  Offline
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Jarvisburg, NC


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 50 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
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