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Newly acquired 261 questions... #675301
Fri Sep 03 2010 05:49 PM
Fri Sep 03 2010 05:49 PM
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lostmy47  Offline OP
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Posts: 234
San Jose, CA
I just picked up a 261 to put into my 50 3800.
I have a couple question that are simple, I'm just not familiar with this engine... I will e soon though! thumbs_up
First- it came with the bell-housing in place. Can I hang the engine on heavy duty engine stand from the bell-housing? Or should I drop the bell-housing and go directly to the block?
Second- are there any specs I should e looking for before I see if it will fire up? like compression, oil pressure etc.
Third-Oil lines... where and how are they supposed to be routed there is a filter on the manifold but the lines are not connected. ohwell

I can see that it is missing a freeze plug, which looks to have rusted out. I was planning on seeing if it will run or not before make any decisions on building it. The 216 I have now seems ok, but I don't know how it was maintained at all.
Is there someone or someplace I can read about this motor and the ins and outs of building it. I have some experience building high output 5 cylinder turbo motors...
Thanks for the help!

Jeremy


1950 Chevy 3800 1-Ton Long Bed
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Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: lostmy47] #675303
Fri Sep 03 2010 06:02 PM
Fri Sep 03 2010 06:02 PM
tclederman  Offline
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Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 27,924
Jarvisburg, NC

What year 261 engine? The oil filter systems differs for 54-57 and 58-63.

Here are locations of casting codes on a 1960 261 engine (painted the Alpin Green color common to most years that 261s were built.

Here is a good history of the 261 (compliments of Jim Carter).

Here is the classic article on Soupin Up a 261 (1955 Hot Rod Magazine).

Here is Chevrolet article, introducing the 1954 261.

I would not hang any 216/235/261 at the clutch housing on any engine stand - the resultant front-heavy length would scare me. If you do it, be sure you have a 2,000 lb engine stand (for greater stability). Most likely, you are going to have to remove the clutch housing (and most likely the clutch assembly) anyway, if you are going to use this 261 in a pre-54 truck.

Other people will most likely give good advice on how to start an engine that has been sitting. I'd drain and change the oil and replace the oil filter (if you have a 58-63 engine that had an oil filter you MUST have the oil filter system in place (you have a full-flow oil filter). Post a picture of your oil filter and we can identify it (the year of your engine will identify it, also). I'd put in all new ignition parts (points, plug, condenser, distributor cap, rotor, and ignition (plug) wires).

I'd suirt something like WD-40 down the spark plug holes and let is soak 24-hrs. Then I'd try to rotate the engine.

Other people will (hopefully) post suggestions regarding the carburetor and fuel delivery for a start-up test.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 50 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: tclederman] #675306
Fri Sep 03 2010 06:18 PM
Fri Sep 03 2010 06:18 PM
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lostmy47  Offline OP
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Posts: 234
San Jose, CA
Tim-
its a 54 261. SO it has the by pass oil filter system. I was reading up on making it a full pressure system, but was saving that for when I do the entire engine rebuild.
I will post the numbers when I get back from storage. I am in the midst of moving. I just need to know if I can hang this motor from the bell-housing or not first. I'm not familiar with this removeable bell-housing system.... lol.

Jeremy


1950 Chevy 3800 1-Ton Long Bed
In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pix on Flickr

Sold all the bikes, leaving California behind.
Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: lostmy47] #675334
Fri Sep 03 2010 08:29 PM
Fri Sep 03 2010 08:29 PM
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lostmy47  Offline OP
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Joined: May 2005
Posts: 234
San Jose, CA
OK
the numbers are: <drumroll> grin

block: 3733950 they are in front of the fuel pump

head:3836850 gm5 con9 b28 (all on top of the head)
on the side of the head are the numbers b59 848/850

ummm how does this ell-housing come off? there looks to be cap bolts underneath between the pan and the fly wheel. do these come off?...
wait I have a manual.... duh dang

Jeremy
bakin' in the sun


1950 Chevy 3800 1-Ton Long Bed
In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pix on Flickr

Sold all the bikes, leaving California behind.
Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: lostmy47] #680004
Thu Sep 23 2010 05:18 PM
Thu Sep 23 2010 05:18 PM
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lostmy47  Offline OP
Shop Shark
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 234
San Jose, CA
An update:
I tore off the intake/exhaust manifold and found that a mudwasp had made a nest in the central intake port!
Off comes the head.... and I discovered that the Intake valves on the #1 and#6 cylinder have made contact with the pistons. Not fractured piston contact, though there is a slight indent. Weird that these two would have the only marks.
Took off the pan and dropped all the pistons out +.40. Wow these are sort of stone age tech.
The crank journals have some marks that I can feel. guess the motor is getting a complete going through after all.
I saw a tip on making the 261 a full pressure oiler... now I can't find it! Does anyone make aluminum gears for these now?

Jeremy


1950 Chevy 3800 1-Ton Long Bed
In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pix on Flickr

Sold all the bikes, leaving California behind.
Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: lostmy47] #680029
Thu Sep 23 2010 07:29 PM
Thu Sep 23 2010 07:29 PM
tclederman  Offline
Boltergeist
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 27,924
Jarvisburg, NC

http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/full_pressure.htm

Tech-Tips can be found by clicking "Tech_Tips" which is at the top of every page. Then select a category; or, scroll down the page.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 50 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: Newly acquired 261 questions... [Re: tclederman] #680041
Thu Sep 23 2010 08:18 PM
Thu Sep 23 2010 08:18 PM
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lostmy47  Offline OP
Shop Shark
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 234
San Jose, CA
Thanks... I knew it was there....Just didn't see it. I swear I looked!

Jeremy


1950 Chevy 3800 1-Ton Long Bed
In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pix on Flickr

Sold all the bikes, leaving California behind.

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