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235 Questions sticky / stuck valves #605635
Thu Dec 31 2009 12:41 AM
Thu Dec 31 2009 12:41 AM
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Ferndale53  Offline OP
Shop Shark
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 252
CT
I picked up a late model 235 with the 848 head for a good price, but its been sitting a few years.

I did a cold compression test and got these results:

1: 55 psi
2: 110
3: 110
4: 130
5: 0
6: 40

I did a redneck leakdown test by blowing compressed air in the cylinders, and found 3 valves were stuck partially open. I didn't feel any air coming from the dipstick tube.

I pulled the head, and confirmed that the 3 valves I suspected wern't closing all the way. The #1,#6 intake wern't open all that much, but the #5 exhaust was open quite a bit, explaining the 0 reading.

Now, this is my first project, so I don't know a whole lot about this sorta stuff. Before I send it off to a machine shop I want some opinions.

I worked both stuck intake valves and soaked them in seafoam, and they seem to work fine with the head sitting on a bench. I put a puddle of seamfoam on all the intake valves, and it took about an hour for the seamfoam to leak from all of them. Should it be a perfect seal or is this acceptable?

Sorry for the long ramble, any help would be great. Heres a few pictures of the patient.

http://i50.tinypic.com/209j4o4.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/33vnnuc.jpg

Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: Ferndale53] #605642
Thu Dec 31 2009 01:07 AM
Thu Dec 31 2009 01:07 AM
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Truckasaurus  Offline
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Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 95
Vallejo CA
Judging by the carbon deposits that are visible, you may have more carbon build up in the exhaust ports as well as on the valve seats.

Clean it off and put it back together, it might run fine.
Just be careful about where the carbon chips go.
Ray

Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: Truckasaurus] #605650
Thu Dec 31 2009 01:26 AM
Thu Dec 31 2009 01:26 AM
truckernix  Offline
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Posts: 8,826
Bracebridge Ontario Canada
Those are nice photos. I really like looking inside these old sixes!

I think you need to get rid of the carbon on the Head. I would do the rings and rear main while it is on the shop floor.


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Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: truckernix] #605680
Thu Dec 31 2009 03:33 AM
Thu Dec 31 2009 03:33 AM
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chevymgb  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 29
Illinios
Mine looked about the same as yours. I cleaned the carbon off ran some old wore out emery paper thru the guides (I just rolled it up and ran it thru, but not too much to make them sloppy - just not sticky)and then lapped all the valves with compound and the old fashion suction cup type tool. New head gasket and everything was fine with 110# to 118# on all six. I had bad compression On two cyl. before I started.

Last edited by chevymgb; Thu Dec 31 2009 03:34 AM.
Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: chevymgb] #605689
Thu Dec 31 2009 04:16 AM
Thu Dec 31 2009 04:16 AM
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Scott Danforth  Offline
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Posts: 1,890
Cheesehead in Paradise
oven cleaner works like magic to remove carbon


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Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: Scott Danforth] #605789
Thu Dec 31 2009 03:36 PM
Thu Dec 31 2009 03:36 PM
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Builder  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,944
Minnehaha County, South Dakota
Look for marks on the pistons and valves to determine if they made contact with each other. Make sure the valves didn't get bent.

You might as well pull the valves out and at least lap the seats like chevymgb suggests. That way you can clean them up real good and replace aparts as needed.

Re: 235 Questions sticky / stuck valves [Re: Builder] #605824
Thu Dec 31 2009 05:32 PM
Thu Dec 31 2009 05:32 PM
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Joe H  Offline
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Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 3,932
Lee's Summit Mo. 64086
While the head is apart, soak it for a hour or so in your favorite degreaser, I like Castrol Super Clean, and then hit the car wash for a hot soapy wash. It will come very clean and be a lot easer to handle for the overhaul. Oven cleaner works great for this. You can do this after lapping the valves, that way you clean all the compound out at the same time.

Joe


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