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My BLUE FLAME compared to........ #338953
Mon Nov 19 2007 06:37 AM
Mon Nov 19 2007 06:37 AM
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RAT ROD GIRL  Offline OP
Apprentice
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
S.E. WI
I have an original 1934 1 1/2 ton blue flame six and purchased a 1935 passenger car blue flame six.

My question is......... What's the difference between these 2 engines and why does the 35 have a different valve cover configuration? Arent these 206's the same with interchangable parts? I have block numbers for both engines if someone can point me in the right direction.

Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: RAT ROD GIRL] #339120
Mon Nov 19 2007 09:46 PM
Mon Nov 19 2007 09:46 PM
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Clutchheadstew  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 187
Deming,Wa.
RRG- I have a '35 AND A '36 1.5 ton truck and the original 207's look excactly like my brothers '36 pass. car. I'm wondering if some engine swap out has taken place....?


'36 Tall cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '36 Low cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '53 GMC 2 ton, '51 GMC 640 5 ton, '47 Dodge 2 ton, '42 GMC CCKW 353 6X6.
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: Clutchheadstew] #339137
Mon Nov 19 2007 10:20 PM
Mon Nov 19 2007 10:20 PM
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35 trucker  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 261
Howell, Michigan
There is a lot of differences between the 34 & 35 engines to name a few; location of ign. coil is on cowl in 34 and on the tappet cover in 35, 34 has splash oiling to rods, 35 has squirt tubes and splash, 34 has smaller water pump and hoses (1.25"), 35 a bigger pump and hoses (1.5"). Block on 34 has a boss on driver side middle (same block as car that uses this for engine mounting), oil distributor is different, bigger on 35, inside cylinder compression ratio is lower on 34 than 35, Harmonic dampener is different, 34 does not front crankshaft oil seal only a slinger, 35 has a cork seal, Valves and head are different with 33-34 being almost the same, 35 and 36 are the same. 36 is almost a new engine with full cylinder block cooling, 34-35 is only top half of cylinder water cooled, 36 has a bigger water pump and rear pump baffle is cast in instead of a pressed in as 34-35 are, distributor and oil pump drive tang is reversed in 36. The 36 engine was a replacement engine for the 35.

Last edited by 35 trucker; Mon Nov 19 2007 10:22 PM.

34 & 35 trucks are the greatest
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: 35 trucker] #339147
Mon Nov 19 2007 10:37 PM
Mon Nov 19 2007 10:37 PM
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35 trucker  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 261
Howell, Michigan
I would suggest you get a Chevrolet parts book or if you like I can send you a complete spec. sheet for both or all three engines, The 35 & 36 engines share more parts then 34-35 engines. Casting numbers on 34 Master car and 34 Master truck 837231 (note the truck engine uses a Standard car intake manifold and has is not drilled for the LH side engine mount), 35 casting number is 837591 for all Standard, Master and truck engines. The casting number on the 36 engine is 886010. The 34 cylinder head will not work on a 35 or 36 block as the coolant holes are in different locations. Another way to tell if you have a car or truck eng. is to look at the stamped serial number behind the fuel pump Car starts with a number, 1/2 ton with a K, and 1.5 ton with a T.

Last edited by 35 trucker; Mon Nov 19 2007 10:37 PM.

34 & 35 trucks are the greatest
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: 35 trucker] #339223
Tue Nov 20 2007 01:19 AM
Tue Nov 20 2007 01:19 AM
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Clutchheadstew  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 187
Deming,Wa.
Trucker you really know your stuff!! So the '36 may be a fair engine to mess with then as far as the evolution of stovebolt 6's goes. My brother is a 20 year veteran as a automotive machinist business owner and ownes 2 '36 coupes. He wants to dive into these 207's and see if he can massage and blueprint them. I own two '36 engines and a '35. I'd be interested in your spec sheets for sure. Was the 207ci ever called Blue Flame or was that in '53? Sorry to rob your post Rat Rod Girl but this info is awesome ......Rick


'36 Tall cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '36 Low cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '53 GMC 2 ton, '51 GMC 640 5 ton, '47 Dodge 2 ton, '42 GMC CCKW 353 6X6.
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: Clutchheadstew] #339242
Tue Nov 20 2007 02:08 AM
Tue Nov 20 2007 02:08 AM
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35 trucker  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 261
Howell, Michigan
The 207 were never called blue flame. The 36 engine was the best of all the 207 cu.in. engines. Send me an e-mail with your postal address and I'll send you the information you want.


34 & 35 trucks are the greatest
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: 35 trucker] #339318
Tue Nov 20 2007 05:21 AM
Tue Nov 20 2007 05:21 AM
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Grizzly 34s  Offline
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 134
Crystal River, FL
Looks like all of my are 34 still, that was some helpful information. Thanks


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Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: RAT ROD GIRL] #339360
Tue Nov 20 2007 07:46 AM
Tue Nov 20 2007 07:46 AM
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RAT ROD GIRL  Offline OP
Apprentice
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
S.E. WI
This doesnt look good...... cry cry cry

Looks like what I thought to be an original engine in my 1934 1.5 ton is looking to be something of a 1935 1/2 ton by what 35Trucker is saying. If 1934 passenger cars started with a #, and 1/2 ton trucks started with K, and 1.5 tons were T.........then my serial # that starts with a L leads me to believe this is a 35 1/2 ton truck motor..... cry....NOT A 34 1.5 ton.

I'll wait for 35Truckers engine specs before I go sob in the corner.



Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: RAT ROD GIRL] #339449
Tue Nov 20 2007 05:28 PM
Tue Nov 20 2007 05:28 PM
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Clutchheadstew  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 187
Deming,Wa.
Hey '35Trucker I've sent you a PM. Thanks.


'36 Tall cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '36 Low cab Chevy 1.5 ton, '53 GMC 2 ton, '51 GMC 640 5 ton, '47 Dodge 2 ton, '42 GMC CCKW 353 6X6.
Re: My BLUE FLAME compared to........ [Re: Clutchheadstew] #339477
Tue Nov 20 2007 06:37 PM
Tue Nov 20 2007 06:37 PM
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35 trucker  Offline
Wrench Fetcher
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 261
Howell, Michigan
Even though "blue Flame" was not used on the 207 cu.in. engine as such; 1935 was the first year Chevrolet used the name to describe the new 1935 cylinder head combustion chamber design. I don't have the first use on the words to describe the whole engine but I think it wasn't until the 235 cu.in engine was introduced. I know they advertised the 1941 though the war years as the "Victory" engine.


34 & 35 trucks are the greatest
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