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#1494341 Tue Mar 28 2023 10:38 PM
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I continue to make small progress on Hercules. I was able to get the other front hub off with the help of a BFH and my brother-in-law. I've got all the brake components out and I seem to be running into a bit of confusion when I search the part number on the wheel cylinders. They are cast with Wagner Lockheed FE 3067 and 3068. When I search the numbers, I get all sorts of cylinders that come up. It seems that Dorman W8853 is what comes up most of the time. Does anyone have any info on other part number that this would cross reference to? Or even a link to a good cross reference site. Thanks

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1951 GMC 451
1964 International Harvester v190

Saw Mill #1494379 Wed Mar 29 2023 02:49 AM
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I'm not sure what the question is here...if you Google search both of those part numbers you get tons of hits....Dorman and Raybestos have them. Rock Auto has them on clearance at $8.05 each...can't buy a rebuild kit for that!

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=573223&jsn=3

Mike B smile

Last edited by Mike B; Wed Mar 29 2023 02:50 AM. Reason: spelling

Mike Boteler

1956 Chevy 3100 Resto Rod [stovebolt.com]
1956 8400 Wrecker w/Holmes 525 [stovebolt.com]
1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic [stovebolt.com]
1952 Willys M38 Army Jeep
1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
1978 CJ-5 Navy Jeep
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Hughesville, MD
Saw Mill #1494381 Wed Mar 29 2023 03:09 AM
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Hy Saw Mill, as Mike has said, RockAuto has Raybestos p/ns WC8852 $8.05 and WC8853 $17.91. Napa has their p/ns UP 8852 and UP8853 for $50.50 each, hope that helps.

Saw Mill #1494533 Thu Mar 30 2023 08:41 AM
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Thanks for the info.


1951 GMC 451
1964 International Harvester v190

Saw Mill #1494829 Sat Apr 01 2023 03:44 PM
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Anyone have a part number for rear wheel cylinder? I have a 6400 with Huck brakes, two cylinders per wheel.


1954 Chevy custom 261CID, T-5 5 Speed.
1952 Chevy 6400 2 ton hydraulic flat bed.
Saw Mill #1494834 Sat Apr 01 2023 05:21 PM
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The screen shot below is the brake cylinder data you asked about for your '52 6400 (Utility) with Huck brakes taken from the 1929-57 Master Parts Catalog.

Rear-Front cylinder (1-1/2" diameter) GM# 5453866

Rear-Rear cylinder (1-1/2" diameter) GM# 5453865

Here are a couple of links to a site I found when searching more info on the original GM part numbers. Each page gives a long list of manufacturer part numbers that cross-reference to the original GM #'s. Further searching on the web for those numbers (I only did a sample check) show they are easily/readily available from various prices. The original GM#'d parts are also offered by Chev's of the 40's too. I didn't include the links but they are easy to find if you use the GM#s to search.

https://www.finditparts.com/products/3842904/raybestos-wc-14499

https://www.finditparts.com/products/3842905/raybestos-wc-14500

Your call on which vendor you wish to source them from. Happy hunting! grin

Dan

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52 6400 rear axle wheel cylinder data

Dan

1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 (My Grandpa's hunting truck)
1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod)
2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver)
US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998)
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Finally time to get to work on my Grandpa's (now mine) truck!
oldieoldie #1494835 Sat Apr 01 2023 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oldieoldie
Anyone have a part number for rear wheel cylinder? I have a 6400 with Huck brakes, two cylinders per wheel.

4.665 Wheel Cylinder 1951-53 first, Utility;

Rear, Front...(1-1/2" dia. casting No. 5453825-4 tapped holes)...p/n 5453866

Rear, Rear..(1-1/2" dia. casting No. 5453825-5 tapped holes)...p/n 5453865

Mike B smile


Mike Boteler

1956 Chevy 3100 Resto Rod [stovebolt.com]
1956 8400 Wrecker w/Holmes 525 [stovebolt.com]
1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic [stovebolt.com]
1952 Willys M38 Army Jeep
1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
1978 CJ-5 Navy Jeep
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Hughesville, MD
Saw Mill #1494949 Sun Apr 02 2023 04:47 PM
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Thanks for the info. Finditparts.com crossed it to a Raybestos number and Rockauto.com carries the part for $20-30 less than anyone else.


1954 Chevy custom 261CID, T-5 5 Speed.
1952 Chevy 6400 2 ton hydraulic flat bed.
Saw Mill #1494954 Sun Apr 02 2023 05:01 PM
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Dan

1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 (My Grandpa's hunting truck)
1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod)
2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver)
US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998)
Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)

Finally time to get to work on my Grandpa's (now mine) truck!
Saw Mill #1499857 Sun May 07 2023 09:53 AM
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Hello dear truckers,

I have a similar problem.
On my last trip I had less brake power on the front axle.
I took the drum down and saw that the wheel brake cylinder is leaking.
Now I want to change all of them. There are two cylinders per side, top and bottom installed.

But as always I have problems finding.
I saw some at Rockauto that should fit visually. However, the description says axle load.
Cylinders for 7000 pounds, 9000 pounds and 11000 pounds.
Unfortunately I do not know what I have mounted for an axle. It is a 1966 Chevrolet c60, 6.0 l 366 cui (Firetruck).
I took pictures of the cylinders (The start number is the same, the end numbers are different). Unfortunately I can't get any further with the numbers.
I hope again for the best forum.

Greetings from Germany

Brian

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Saw Mill #1499878 Sun May 07 2023 02:19 PM
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Hy Dixon, could you tell us the diameter of your front brake drums and the width of your front brake shoes. The inside diameter of your wheel cylinders will also tell you what you have and what to purchase to replace them, good luck.

Saw Mill #1499895 Sun May 07 2023 04:03 PM
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Hello 3B,

I have the measurements and hope they help.

width brake shoe: 2.99 inch
diameter brake drum: 14,96 inch
diameter wheel brake cylinder: 1.10 inch

Thanks in advance :-)

Brian

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Hy Dixon, it appears your truck has the 7000 lb. front axle and your wheel cylinder bore is actually 1.125". the wheel cylinders are Raybestos part numbers WC8852 and WC8853 both are $18.75 United States dollars at Rockauto, hope that helps.

Saw Mill #1499937 Sun May 07 2023 08:50 PM
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great, thank you very much for your help.
Just ordered them, so the truck will soon be running again and I can soon drive around again.
Thank you.

Greetings Brian

Saw Mill #1500862 Mon May 15 2023 05:15 PM
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Rock auto.
They did not list them as an application for my son’s 46 2 ton.
Though the bore size listed was the same as was on my truck.
So I ordered them and they were a perfect match in every way.

Saw Mill #1500864 Mon May 15 2023 05:25 PM
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Jeffery,

Perhaps you could post the Rock Auto part numbers you purchased and maybe post a picture or two of the new wheel cylinders???

Dan


Dan

1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 (My Grandpa's hunting truck)
1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod)
2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver)
US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998)
Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)

Finally time to get to work on my Grandpa's (now mine) truck!
Saw Mill #1501150 Wed May 17 2023 05:00 PM
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Hello,

the parts have arrived. Attached are the pictures for the passenger side and driver side.
The cylinders look good. Maybe I will get around to installing them soon. Thanks to all

Greetings Brian

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