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Originally Posted by klhansen
Ron, Thanks for confirming I'm not crazy wink when I said I saw a post about bed wood being painted body color. It was your post about it that I recalled.

The question in my mind is whether the angle strips on older trucks would have been painted body color and THEN the prepainted wood installed with the other bed strips prepainted black and all the hardware left unpainted. It would make sense to me that painting would be done on both the wood and metal parts, and then the wood installed. But that's just a supposition on my part. My bed was too rusty to determine if that scheme was used.

Kevin you got me to thinking about this issue so I backtracked to a post response from Tim Lederman, I hope he's ok with me reviving it! See the attached screen shot.

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Ron - - Dusty53
"you can't dance with the Devil and then wonder why you're still in Hell"
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
No problem, Ron.

Just to add further confusion: I now have some sales-illustrations of the two, two-tone pickup and panel models that came out in late 1954 and 55-1st series.

The bed wood and metal bed strips were painted black (a semigloss, perhaps).
The running boards were painted lower-body color.

However, I also have original color-documents that show those late two-tone models having black running boards.

Shell White top/upper of exterior cab (above the "ribbon")
Yellow or Blue or Green bottoms (which in includes that center ribbon)
Shell White pinstripe (1/4") in the center of the "ribbon".

There were a variety of two-tone interior sheet-metal & upholstery colors available with those options.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
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Would running boards have been black on base, stripper models?


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1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck)
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood (The Godfather)
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif)
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Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Originally Posted by Otto Skorzeny
Would running boards have been black on base, stripper models?
They were in '51. My running boards were black, and it's a 3-window cab that was bought as a fleet truck. I don't even think it had the pinstripe around the belt molding. I found no evidence of it, anyway under the second layer of paint. My thought is that ALL running boards were black, and were painted on a separate line as bolt-on items.

As far as that item in Tim's post about the bed wood (prepainted as an assembly) installed in one piece. I have my doubts, as both sides need to be tucked underneath the angle strips. I suppose it could have been done that way, but it would have been a very cumbersome task, and much more easily done with individual boards and strips. If the fasteners were black, I think they may have been black oxide as someone mentioned above. [on edit] I'm rescinding that thought on black oxide finish on fasteners. I just looked thru the 29-54 Master Parts catalog [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com] for fasteners and the only thing that wasn't cadmium plated were some sheet metal screws that were plain steel or parkerized. No Black Oxide finish mentioned at all.

Last edited by klhansen; Mon Jan 30 2023 08:48 PM. Reason: added a note on fastener finishes from Parts Catalog

Kevin
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos [flickr.com]
#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
Originally Posted by klhansen
[quote=Otto Skorzeny]

As far as that item in Tim's post about the bed wood (prepainted as an assembly) installed in one piece. . .

I posted above "The bed wood and metal bed strips were painted black (a semigloss, perhaps)."
I did not state (and, I do not believe) that they were painted as an assembly.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Joined: May 2015
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Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Tim, I was replying to your post that Dusty53 posted a screenshot of where you said Bob Alder said....
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
Maybe I should have worded it more precisely. Sorry.


Kevin
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos [flickr.com]
#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
First car '29 Ford Special Coupe
Busting rust since the mid-60's
If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Joined: Sep 2001
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
"https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthread...ruck-color-on-1954-3604.html#Post1309981"

"I have spoken with Bob Adler (Stephentown, NY), and, Bob says that:

1. 1947-1953 Advance-Design pickup beds were painted black (boards & strips)
And the boards and strips were (somehow) painted together and placed in/on the bed as a painted assembly.

2. 54/55st Advance-Design pickup beds were painted body color (lower body color on two-tones).
These boards and strips were not painted as an assembly.

So, Ronnie, yes, your bed boards/floor came that way from the factory.

By the way, I really like that 1954 Ocean Green color."


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Joined: Jul 2014
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Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum
We need a "certified survivor" non-deluxe truck and deluxe 1954 Truck to examine! Good ole' Dusty53 still kicking that dead horse and kicking up dust... I'd sure like to view those Illustrations Tim has. I'd add them to my limited library.


Ron - - Dusty53
"you can't dance with the Devil and then wonder why you're still in Hell"
" They will forget what you've said, and they will forget what you have done but they will never forget the way you made them feel"

1954 Chevy 3604
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
If I remember to look, and, if I can find/copy useful factory bed photos/illustrations, I'll see if I can post a few 1954 photos.

(please forgive my rapidly failing memory - getting old has its problems, but, getting old is better than the alternative)


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 8,128
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Ron, I have PDF's of '53 and '54 Truck sales brochures, but neither of them have color photos of the beds. The black and white photos of the beds in both don't show much detail.

Let me know if you'd like to have either or both of those brochures.

It would be interesting to see Tim's illustrations.


Kevin
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos [flickr.com]
#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
First car '29 Ford Special Coupe
Busting rust since the mid-60's
If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
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