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That Scammel Pioneer is really cool.

Just as Ford built Willys Jeeps with identical interchangeable parts (albeit Every Ford part was stamped with the Ford oval), they also built CMP designs identical to the Chevrolet version. The chassis/cab in the picture is the early design of the F60S, I think judging by the apparently short wheelbase.

Do you know why the CMP designs weren't built for commercial purposes after the war?

Yes a Scammell has a certain presence.
The Ford and Chevrolet CMPs, are not quite as interchangeable as with the jeeps, but there are still plenty of shared things, and the Ford parts book even list the Chevrolet axles as some where built with these. I had a F15A (hidding between the Scammell and Chevy) with a Ford front axle and Chevy rear. The Chevy was considered to be the superior in terms of reliability, so much so certain units specified that they wanted only Ford with Chevy axles.
The chassis on the picture is of a Gun tractor, so it has the F60 size parts (Heavy axles, 20" wheels etc), but is only a 101" wb (like the 8cwt and 15cwt) and where the F60S was a 134" wb.
And yes correct, its the first type, cab 11, a design which where lacking in accessibility for maintenance and creature comforts.

I suspect the reason for not producing CMP´s (Canadian Military Pattern) to the civilian market, is that they where deemed too rugged for commercial sales, further more there where so many available surplus from the armies I think it would have been hard to compete.
But in general, I can more or less only think of a few military vehicles types that was sold commercially after the war, and all of these where basically civilian prewar vehicles that where adapted to military service.
maybe the general public where tried from war and wanted a fresh start.

Never heard of them but here they are. [alamy.com]

Hi Ron
Yes Scammell didn't really export to USA, so they are not well know in the states, they where more directed towards the home market, commonwealth and middle east.
Their specialty was tractors and trucks for heavy loads both on and off road, but they did also do a range of normal truck.

Some of their icons are
The 100 Tonner, a truck and trailer combination designed in eight months in 1929, for carrying Steam trains to the dock from the factory. originally powered by a 7 litre 4 cyl petrol engine, which later was changed to a 8.4litre six cylinder diesel, the greatest load it carried was 165tons! in 1935, and it was in service until the fifties.
http://www.historicroadways.co.uk/scammell-100-tonner.html


The Scammell Pioneer, a truck originally designed in the early thirties for pulling oil pipeline tubes through the difficult terrain of Mesopotamia, in the infancy of the middle eastern oil industry.
The chassis design then served as a basis for the British army's Heavy Wrecker, Heavy Artillery tractor and Tank transporter, during WW2.
Its slow and heavy but unstoppable, with very good off road performance.
It served as a basis for a post war version.
Some of them where still in military service by the late seventies early eighties (mine served from 44 to 72), and a few are still being used occasionally by civilian companies for the odd recovery or heavy transport jobs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlAr9Pfdiy0 [youtube.com]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WozopqSb85g [youtube.com]

The Scammell Mechanical horse/Scarabe
Its a 3 wheeled tractor unit, that could tow loads up to around 6 tons, designed with maneuverability in mind, the front wheel turns 360, so it could get in, out and around in narrow places.
And the trailer coupling was designed so you just reversed on to the trailer, and it would automatically connect brakes, lights and flip up the trailer stand with out the driver getting out of the cab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scammell_Scarab

They also did some of the very early tanker trailers with internal bulkheads

From the video and pictures their beast. Some remind me of the Deuce and half I drove in Viet Nam.

Ron, was that the Reo M35 or the GMC M135 back then ? I always liked the M135

Niels,

What a great bit of info you've put in up here! I really like all the photos you shared. Will look at the videos later.

Speaking of videos, on any YouTube video you post, can you please removed the "http://" part to keep it from embedding in the post. It's something that happens in the YouTube link that we can't alter ... other than to remove the http:// part. That will make the video a regular link.

Thanks.

Okay Peggy I will leave that out of the links.
Here is a bit more about the pioneer and its use
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvgkqdQvqq8 [youtube.com]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8Hxh9jW7c [youtube.com]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-W8FSUFE_g [youtube.com]

Niels V, I would tell you but that was many many years ago. But if I was to guess it was the m135. Google says it was the M39. I do know it drove like a brick, I was told the shocks were rebuildable but they were not supplied with kits so they put beer cans in them.