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#1482567 Mon Jan 09 2023 07:17 PM
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Holley makes a Sniper unit specifically for the Ford 170/200/250 inline six to replace the Autolite 1100 carburetor.

Does anyone make a "bolt on" fuel injection system for Chevy inline sixes? Would a Holley Sniper 1100 system work on a S16? Would there even be adapters that would accept a Ford pattern on the Chevy Intake?

Just wondering if anyone has built a fuel injected 216.


1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom)
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck)
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif)
1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe
1979 Ford F-100
1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red)
1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto Skorzeny #1482581 Mon Jan 09 2023 09:07 PM
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"Lipstick on a pig"! The primitive port shape and lack of any kind of way to improve it noticeably makes any attempt at fuel injecting a stovebolt engine a fool's mission. The only really effective injection system is sequential port injection, which requires a separate intake port and injector for each cylinder, something that's utterly impossible with the siamesed ports of all the stovebolt engines, including the 194/230/250/292 series. Shared exhaust ports further complicate the breathing situation.
Jerry


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Abraham Lincoln

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Otto Skorzeny #1482597 Mon Jan 09 2023 10:03 PM
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Gotcha. I figured there had to be a reason nobody is doing it or talking about it.

I was thinking about it more for reliability over the many problems with carburetors and fuel pumps associated with these engines rather than a performance enhancement.

It is pretty neat to see the little Ford 200 six with a store bought fuel injection system.


1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom)
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck)
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif)
1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe
1979 Ford F-100
1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red)
1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto Skorzeny #1482611 Mon Jan 09 2023 11:02 PM
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Aren’t more sophisticated head$ available from Falconer? ‘62 on.

Ed

Last edited by EdPruss; Mon Jan 09 2023 11:02 PM.

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Otto Skorzeny #1482695 Tue Jan 10 2023 06:32 AM
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Anything is possible, with enough time money, and dedication to a lost cause. If I was going to spend a lot of time and money on an injected inline six engine, I'd start with a Ford 300, an AMC 258, a GM Atlas six, or maybe a Toyota Supra Turbo DOHC engine. Slavishly sticking to something that says "bowtie" simply for the sake of brand loyalty doesn't make good nonsense- - - - -unless you're getting well paid to spend the other guy's money. That's how I stayed involved in round track racing for a few decades- - - -working for guys who had deep pockets and the "Go fast- - - - -turn left" addiction.
Jerry


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Abraham Lincoln

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!

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Ernest Hemingway

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Otto Skorzeny #1482735 Tue Jan 10 2023 03:22 PM
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Which makes me repeat the same question I've asked before: When are you going to abandon the tractor engines and jump onto the Atlas engines? A REAL performance inline six AND a Chevy. I have the specs for an exhaust cam that deletes the VVT and has been proven in off road rides. Also have several FREE Atlas engines for test platforms.


Evan
Otto Skorzeny #1482752 Tue Jan 10 2023 04:48 PM
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There’s at least one guy around here that made a Sniper work on a 235 with positive results so far. I don’t think it was a performance thing so much as a drivability thing.

I’m really surprised Holley hasn’t created a system with the one barrel GM pattern yet…given the size of that market. I’m not looking to do it, but I understand the reasons of those who do.

Funny Jerry mentions the AMC/ Jeep engine. I was just pondering last night, what it would take to make one of those look less obvious in a Chevy engine compartment. The goofy valve cover would give it away quickly.

They are as common as dirt, reliable, capable, and have tons of aftermarket support.

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JW51 #1482754 Tue Jan 10 2023 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JW51
There’s at leas one guy around here that made a Sniper work on a 235 with positive results so far. I don’t think it was a performance thing so much as a drivability thing.

I’m really surprised Holley hasn’t created a system with the one barrel GM pattern yet…given the size of that market.


Yes, that's what my thinking was. The six cylinder Fords don't really gain any performance - maybe fuel economy improves - but you don't have the carburetor issues anymore. The Autolite 1100 is an excellent carburetor but "new" ones are all foreign made and, like the Chinese Rochester Bs, they are crap.

The conversion requires an electric, in-tank pump with a built-in regulator.

I wonder if the person you're talking about adapted the Autolite replacement or if he used one of Holley's other units.


1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom)
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck)
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif)
1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe
1979 Ford F-100
1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red)
1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto Skorzeny #1482756 Tue Jan 10 2023 05:07 PM
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He used the Autolite version with a custom adapter. The guy is from Nebraska but can’t remember his username. Scroll back a few pages in the HIPO thread and you will find it.

Otto Skorzeny #1482758 Tue Jan 10 2023 05:22 PM
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Interesting. Just to satisfy my curiosity I'll do that.

I just found it. His is a 235 but since the Holley unit can be used on a 170, 200, and 250 Ford, I imagine 216 and 235 fit right in the range.

https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthread...sniper-install-on-a-235.html#Post1450618

Last edited by Otto Skorzeny; Tue Jan 10 2023 05:25 PM.

1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom)
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck)
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif)
1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe
1979 Ford F-100
1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red)
1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
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