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#1453113 Sat May 28 2022 01:17 PM
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I am trying to decide which fuel tank to pursue for my 1949/50 3600. I have seen several threads regarding using with a 1987 vintage Blazer 25 gallon tank or an early Mustang tank. I believe the Blazer tank is 28 3/4 x 28 1/8 x 10 3/4 and some have indicated that it hangs too low below the frame. I am not sure about the diemnsions of the Mustang tank.

My plan is to have the filler located in the fender rather than the bed. I have seen several threads regarding this arrangement and while it is more complex than coming up through the bed I think it is the approach I am going to take.

I am also hoping that the tank selection will still allow dual exhaust out the rear. I have seen at least one picture of a setup that had the exhaust going over the axle, then angled to be outside the frame to clear the tank, but I am not sure what tank was used.

I am planning to run a carburetor so no high pressure in-tank fuel pump, although a low pressure in tank pump might be desireable (otherwise an in-line electric pump).

If I understand correctly the 3600 rear frame may be slightly narrower than the 3100. I am planning to retain the original rear leaf spring suspension so I don't want to compromise the rear frame but I believe there is a simple angle cross piece that may have been for the spare tire that is not structual and could be removed.


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You should start with your frame measurements. When you have that figured out you can use a site like US Tanks to find dementions. Check prices on other sites such as Rock Auto to get the best deal.


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Apparently this is not going to be as easy as following someone else's example.

My frame cross section in the area behind the axle has a significantly wider lower flange (that is also tapered) than the upper flange. At the rear cross member the lower flanges are 29" apart, 29 3/4" apart at the cross angle location. Therefore the max tank width needs to be less than 29" to fit between the lower flanges.

The cross angle appears to be even with or slightly behind the rear differential. I believe the angle could be replaced/relocated forward slightly but as it sits the rear edge of the angle is 16 5/8" from the rear cross member. If it is relocated the existing front edge appears to be the furthest forward a tank could be and clear the differential rear cover. That dimension is more like 18 1/4" making the maximum fore/aft tank dimension approximately 18 1/4".

The Blazer tank measurements are okay for width (28 3/4") but the fore/aft dimension of 28 1/8" appears to be significnatly too long and would result in the tank overhanging the differential, possibly interferring as the suspension is loaded. The frame height is 4 1/4" so the 25 gallon Blazer tank at 10 3/4" high would hang 6 1/2" lower than the frame if mounted flush with the top of te frame.

Tanks Inc. shows a 1949-52 Chevy Fuel Tank 29-1/4" x 21-1/4" x 8-1/4" (16 Gallons) which seems too wide but may work depending on the overall width including a flange that would be either inside or below the frame channel. The length seems a little long but may be okay if the tank is moved as far back as possible with the rear flange either inside or below the rear cross member. https://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/...799/category_id=133/mode=prod/prd799.htm
the fuel filler location in the right rear coner looks good for a fender filler location but I am not sure how it will clear the frame rail unless the tank is mounted higher than the top of the frame (not sure about bed clearance). They also have an 18 gallon version that is 1" taller which may be okay if the top of the tank is above the frame rail for filler clearance.

Any insight from forum members would be apprecaited.

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We will not use a tank that has the filler in the bed floor so use only side fill tanks. The early Blazer tanks have a shape that fits in the factory spare tire position and require zero frame trimming. A fill tube is run under bed floor out through the side and then up to a motorcycle pop up gas cap in the left rear fender. As the photos show the tank DOES NOT hang low and has dual exhaust with no clearance issues.

Note tank fits in factory spare tire area with no modification:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/9R0xtNcv/003.jpg[/img] [postimg.cc]

No rust exhaust tube is run up to filler cap:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/0rqnNQwT/004.jpg[/img] [postimg.cc]

If pop up cap is painted body color it's nearly invisible:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/5X9k2tZ4/016.jpg[/img] [postimg.cc]

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/21vJtJRv/018.jpg[/img] [postimg.cc]

Last edited by coilover; Mon May 30 2022 07:19 AM.

Evan
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Coilover, your frame cross members appear to be significantly different than mine? Mine is a straight horizontal channel riveted inside of the top flange of the frame rail. Your frame rail seperation also appears to be wider than mine as the Blazer tank is reported to be 28 3/4" wide and my lower frame flange spacing is 29", it may be an optical illusion but your frmae rail flanges appear to have a lot more clearance than expected. Your tank is also clearly behind the rear differential but the Blazer tank is reported to be 28 1/8" long and my rear differential to rear cross brace is only approximately 18".

Thanks for the pictures and information regarding the side fill. It appears that the filler tube can be routed over the frame rail and have clearance to the bed which is good news.


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The truck pictured is a 52 3100 so maybe 1/2T and 3/4T rails are different.


Evan
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'Bolter
Coilover, thanks for the additional information. I will look at the frames in the factory assembly manual but I am guessing that the 3100 and the 3600 are different.

I measured one of my old bed mounting cross rails and it appears to be approx. 1 7/8" high so the filler pipe will need to be 1 3/4" max, probably more like 1 1/2" to have clearance to the bottom of the floor boards. The Tanks Inc 16 or 18 gallon tanks (noted above) have a 1 1/2" ID filler hose so that should be okay if I can get a short enough offset to get the pipe from below the frame top flange to above the top flange.


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'Bolter
I reviewed the frame dimensions in the FAM and confirmed that the 3600 frame is significantly narrower than the 3100 frame. It seems for informaiton regarding tank options to be helpful it needs to be from a 3600 so that may be very limiting. I have requested additional information from Tanks Inc. regarding their tanks and hpe that they can provide some information such that I don't buy a tank only to find that it will not work.

I did not find any information in the FAM regarding the bed cross rail locations to determine where the filler can not be located and clear the cross rails. I did see at least one other tank installation that had a side fill that required a modification to the bed/side for the filler tube to come up through the floor and over the bed side angle strip. I am hoping that I will not need to take that approach as I would like the bed floor and sides to be straight/flat as originally designed.


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Originally Posted by coilover
We will not use a tank that has the filler in the bed floor so use only side fill tanks. The early Blazer tanks have a shape that fits in the factory spare tire position and require zero frame trimming. A fill tube is run under bed floor out through the side and then up to a motorcycle pop up gas cap in the left rear fender. As the photos show the tank DOES NOT hang low and has dual exhaust with no clearance issues.

That looks like a solid option for the 3100/3200s. When you say "early" blazer, approximately what year range are you talking about?


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'Bolter
You got me on the year of the Blazer. I just take a tape measure to the junkyard for things like gas tanks and seats. I think the one pictured is from a 74 and do know they came in two capacities, 13.5g (?) and 20g.


Evan
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'Bolter
You should ride out again and check out my 3100 gas tank under bed.
Spare tire bar has to be removed . brothers tank fit well.
Properly vented.

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1958 3100 Apache 327 engine
1958 3100 Apache Panel 1/2 ton 235 engine
1959 3100 Apache Panel 1/2 ton 327 engine
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Unfortunately the frame differneces between the 3100 and the 3600 result in everyone's experience with 3100's not being relevant to my 3600 efforts.

Tnaks Inc. appears to have some options that may work that I continue to explore and will provide information for the good of the group as I make progress in the effort.


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'Bolter
I decided on a tank from Tanks Inc (see my project journal for more information).

It fit into the frame without modificantions to either the rear frame cross member or the angle cross bracket near the rear of the differential.

The fill will be on the passenger side, through the rear fender but I have not decided on the exact type of filler yet. Several members have provided options they have used that I will be reviewing.

The tank is narrow enough that I should be able to run dual exhaust out the back without any significant problems.


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Originally Posted by WICruiser
I measured one of my old bed mounting cross rails and it appears to be approx. 1 7/8" high so the filler pipe will need to be 1 3/4" max, probably more like 1 1/2" to have clearance to the bottom of the floor boards. The Tanks Inc 16 or 18 gallon tanks (noted above) have a 1 1/2" ID filler hose so that should be okay if I can get a short enough offset to get the pipe from below the frame top flange to above the top flange.

Your cross sills are indeed 1-7/8 tall but remember they sit on 2"+ wood blocks making the total space between your wood floor and the frame about 4" in the area where you propose to install the tank. That should make it relatively simple to make the connection over the frame if the tank inlet is near the top of the tank.

Mark

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'Bolter
59 fleet, thanks for the confirmation of the space available. Look at the pictures in my project journal to see how the tank is positioned and the filler-to-frame clearance.


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Look at a 2000 blazer that’s what I used. I thought I had a picture but dont

Last edited by Csims; Wed Aug 31 2022 05:02 PM.
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'Bolter
I used a 64 Mustang tank with a Jag fuel filler in the fender. It fits perfectly between the frame rails.

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Originally Posted by Mobileortho
I used a 64 Mustang tank with a Jag fuel filler in the fender. It fits perfectly between the frame rails.
What did you use to get the filler tube to the fender I also installed a mustang tank haven't figured out the filler tube yet


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'Bolter
Moileortho, I am also interested in your filler tube routing and any additional information that you can provide regarding the Jag fuel filler you used.

Off topic a bit but I would also appreciate more pictures of your exhaust routing over the rear axle and past the fuel tank as I am going to have similar space constraints.


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Originally Posted by latroca52
What did you use to get the filler tube to the fender I also installed a mustang tank haven't figured out the filler tube yet

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Originally Posted by WICruiser
Moileortho, I am also interested in your filler tube routing and any additional information that you can provide regarding the Jag fuel filler you used.

Off topic a bit but I would also appreciate more pictures of your exhaust routing over the rear axle and past the fuel tank as I am going to have similar space constraints.

That's a cap from an XJ6 - any year up to 87. I found mine on Craigslist for $25 and had a locksmith cut a key. You can find them on Ebay as well. I used a set of tail pipes I found on Amazon, Flowmaster 15802 Prebend Tailpipes - 2.50 in.

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Mobilortho - thanks for the additional information and pictures!


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I opted for a single exhaust to make the routing easier, and mounted the tank in front of the axle with a 47-ish side fill over the running boards.

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my tank is from a Chevy suburban. Filler neck is stock, just moved it from cab to fender

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bigmikes50chevy, thanks but based on the picture that shows your rear spring shackle I believe you have a 3100 which has a significantly different frame spacing in the area where you have your tank.

However I am interested in your filler rounting as I plan to do something similar. Do you have any concerns with the filler being the widest part of the truck? I was thinking I may want to route mine further back to have the neck extension/cap inside the fender width profile.


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Driver side mirror is probably the widest point.

If anyone can't back out of the garage without tearing off that filler, he shouldn't be driving at all.

Last edited by Otto Skorzeny; Thu Jan 19 2023 10:46 PM.

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The filler being on the passenger side makes the combination of the driver's side mirror and the filler making the truck that much wider.

Not that I expect my truck to be in one but I recall a particlar parking garage ramp that was like a curved trough, the inside of the curve had a lot of evidence of people rubbing their vehicle sides on that concrete wall.


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I’ve never had a problem with hitting the filler neck. I know it’s there.

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