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Welding over brazing
#1437772 Tue Jan 18 2022 08:07 PM
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I've got a couple of cracks in sheet metal that were previously brazed but now cracking again. I would like to weld them. I have read online that you have to first remove the brazing. My question is just how thorough does the removal need to be? I don't want to thin the metal any more than necessary trying to get every bit gone. Comments appreciated.

Dennis


40 Chevy 1/2 ton
Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437773 Tue Jan 18 2022 08:16 PM
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Brazing actually incorporates the filler metal into the steel for some distance, so you probably need to cut out maybe 1/16" either side of the crack to be sure you get the brazing filler out. Welding will vaporize the remaining brass filler metal, but will also contaminate the weld. The location of your cracks will dictate how thorough you need to be. Can you post pictures of what you need to repair?


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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437798 Tue Jan 18 2022 11:31 PM
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Yep, I'll take/post a picture tomorrow.

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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437805 Wed Jan 19 2022 12:10 AM
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I’ve done similar where I used small drum sanders, flat sanders, whatever fit the contour, and sanded just until I saw sparks. As you can imagine, it takes some light pressure and quick reflexes to keep the sheet metal as thick as possible.

Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437812 Wed Jan 19 2022 01:09 AM
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If the steel was pitted from rust prior to brazing it will be pretty intense work trying to remove the filler. You need to get it all or welding will give you fits.


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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437898 Wed Jan 19 2022 05:58 PM
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Here's a couple of pics. I'm using my Dremel to clean up as much as I can. I will work at it some more, but what do you think about the success of welds would be as is? I have a MIG welder and also have a TIG on its way so could go that way too - once I learn how to use it, that is. Full disclosure - if you don't recognize the part, it is the front cowl of a Morgan. Not Stovebolt, but I would think useful to some anyway.

Dennis

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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437922 Wed Jan 19 2022 07:04 PM
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I would almost recommend cutting that slot completely out on the left pic and replacing it with a small patch and recutting the slot. But it's hard to tell from a picture. It's a high stress point with the slot there and even a weld will have trouble staying intact. Moving the weaker point away from the slot would help keep them from re-cracking. Or maybe put a doubler behind the cracked spot if the assembly will allow that.The one on the right can probably be successfully rewelded, assuming you get the braze metal completely gone.

Shush!, that's a custom Stovebolt part, correct? wink


Kevin
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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1437940 Wed Jan 19 2022 09:14 PM
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Depending on what is behind that piece, you could clean the back side well, place a small piece of metal (anything but aluminum or magnesium...copper, brass, steel) over the visible crack and simply use silver bearing solder (Stay-Brite is the best by a long shot). Here are the upsides: cost--tremendously less than any welding you can do, heat--much less than welding or brazing (think around 430~440 degrees), strength--greater than brazing (a lap joint is over 10,000 psi). Joins dissimilar metals very well and get this: you can do it all day long with a handheld propane torch. Final benefit? When you're done, dress the joint just as if you had used lead. It sands well enough you may not even need filler and it absolutely won't rust. I've even used this stuff to fill in pitted rust spots. Once you get the hang of it, you may think you've just been given a magic wand. Neutralize the flux with some soda mixed in water.


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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1438034 Thu Jan 20 2022 05:56 PM
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OK, went to work with the Dremel with various carbide bits, disc, etc. I felt like a dentist removing gold fillings! Anyway, take a look and tell me what you think. I included one of the underside too. Would a weld bead on the underside toward the edge be benificial. I'm thinking that would word as well as welding a doubler as suggested. Jon, the silver bearing solder sounds interesting. Not sure I want to do that here but have another spot that I think it would be perfect.

Dennis

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Re: Welding over brazing
DennisM #1438035 Thu Jan 20 2022 06:15 PM
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It's pretty simple. You take out the braze completely Then you either fill the hole or slot with weld or you weld in a small patch. It's just repair 101 as if it was rust. Silver solder is for making crafts. smile


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