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Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
#1413843 Mon Jun 14 2021 03:34 PM
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Hi everyone,
New to stovebolt, I just started restoring a 1950 Chevy carry all, it has a 350 with 4 speed. My dad drove it as his daily driver back in the mid to late 80's It's been in our family since it was purchased brand new. I'm changing the front end with a newer style. Getting rid of the huck brakes. My question is I'm looking to upgrade to power brakes but the description in the unit says it won't work with a manual tranny. It has a 4 speed truck tranny out of a mid sixty's truck. Was just wondering if it won't work with original trans but will with newer standard. Or what mods I need to do to make it work. Also it has the clam shell style back doors, I have a parts carry all with barn style. What style would be better..I really don't care about ease of loading - unloading.
Thanks any info would be appreciated.

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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413862 Mon Jun 14 2021 06:19 PM
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welcome to the site! I am not sure either style is necessarily "better" than the other. I had a Willys wagon with the tailgate (similar to the clamshell on the burb) and my 59 Suburban had barn doors. Each had benefits. Barn doors were way nicer for loading groceries, but the tailgate was nice to drop down and put a camp stove on or use as a table for whatever. On the Willys, the tailgate was rated for 500 pounds!

AS far as the brake kit, I am assuming it is one that goes on the frame where the stock master cylinder goes and it will hit some linkage. You might need to call the place and find out. Maybe you can just move it back a few inches?


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413879 Mon Jun 14 2021 07:12 PM
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Just as a point of clarification “Carryall” is the GMC designation and “Suburban” is the Chevrolet designation of the same vehicle.


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413887 Mon Jun 14 2021 07:40 PM
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That sure looks like it is still real solid! And a family heirloom as well. Can't beat that. I'm sure you will get a plethora of ways to improve your truck, regardless of what you call it.


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Justhorsenround #1413902 Mon Jun 14 2021 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Justhorsenround
Just as a point of clarification “Carryall” is the GMC designation and “Suburban” is the Chevrolet designation of the same vehicle.

1949 Suburban Carryall [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com] (3116 & 3106)

And, again: 1954 Chevrolet 3106 & 3116 Suburban Carryall [1954advance-design.com]


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413906 Mon Jun 14 2021 09:32 PM
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Suburban is still the first word in the Chevy version but I stand semi-corrected!


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Justhorsenround #1413921 Mon Jun 14 2021 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Justhorsenround
Suburban is still the first word in the Chevy version but I stand semi-corrected!

hmmm - what's your point (the first word - Carryall - 1934)? [en.wikipedia.org]

It seems like GMC used the same name a few years later (1937) , as a "Johnny-come-lately" ("a newcomer to or late starter at a particular place or sphere of activity").


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413942 Tue Jun 15 2021 02:17 AM
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And we’re going to believe Wikipedia? My point Mr Curmudgeon is all my adult life GMC people have called their vehicles Carryalls and Chevrolet people have called theirs Suburbans. Which is formally correct and which is old wives tales, does it really matter? Mr Johnson has a nice Suburban and he should be proud of his project and he can call it whatever he wants.


Martin
'62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress)
'47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project)
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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413970 Tue Jun 15 2021 12:24 PM
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Back to the OP’s questions. Careful positioning of the underfloor master cylinder and maybe a bit of fabrication on your part and you can make it work. Since you have already modified to a V8 why not just put a power brake unit on the firewall like the later trucks? I believe the clam shell doors might be a bit rare compared to barn door, plus you can “Tailgate” with the clam shells. JMO


Martin
'62 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed (Restomod in progress)
'47 Chevy 3100 5 Window (long term project)
‘65 Chevy Biscayne 4dr 230 I-6 one owner (I’m #2) “Emily”
‘39 Dodge Businessmans Coupe “Clarence”



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Support those brave men/women who stand the "Thin Blue Line"! Hug a cop!
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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1413973 Tue Jun 15 2021 01:43 PM
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The master cylinder DOES NOT have to be in the factory location. It can be moved back to an open space and a longer push rod used or it can be remote mounted ANYWHERE. If moved back you will need a new hole in the floor for a filler plug or just fill from underneath with a mirror and douche ball. For remote mount the factory mc line runs to a slave cylinder which moves the rod to the booster/mc. The remote unit can be in the bed, trunk, cab, anywhere. Look at a 1957 T-Bird, it has the mc on the firewall and the booster/mc on the left side of the radiator.


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1414149 Thu Jun 17 2021 05:00 PM
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You could use a newer transmission with hydraulic clutch on the passenger side if linkage interference is the issue.


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1414167 Thu Jun 17 2021 09:38 PM
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I think they make those for older transmissions, too. I just installed one on a top loader. Plumb it to the left or to the right. As long as the bleeder is up!

Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1422492 Tue Aug 31 2021 07:09 PM
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Change to a firewall unit with hanging brake pedal seems easiest way. Everything is under the hood, easy to check fluid & monitor everything.


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Re: Power brakes / clam shell or barn style rear doors
Johnson49821 #1426405 Sun Oct 10 2021 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnson49821
Also it has the clam shell style back doors, I have a parts carry all with barn style. What style would be better.

I prefer the barn door style, mostly because I think they look better. They're easier loading also, especially since they can swing fully open.

That being said, the clamshell doors had lower production numbers, therefore are rarer and probably more valuable. Parts may be harder to find however. It's also a one-piece glass (no center divider) for better rear visibility.

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