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Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1413675 Sat Jun 12 2021 09:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 912
B
'Bolter
Quote:
Interesting solution. So if I drive 50 based on my phone GPS, and my truck speedo says 60 . . . Then I should multiply 60 X 2 and would get 120? Or should I multiply the error of 10mph X 2? That seems more logical since 10 X 2 = 20 and the MPH is 20% off. Then I’d need to order a speedo reduction adapter for 20%.[/quote]


Yes, need to slow down the cable rotation by 20%. If you think in terms of 100 MPH being 120 MPH indicated it make it simpler for the math but harder to get away with the road test!

Ratio adapter needs to be 1: 0.80

Last edited by BC59; Sat Jun 12 2021 10:05 PM. Reason: Can't type

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Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1414031 Wed Jun 16 2021 12:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
The 23 tooth speedo driven gear arrived today. I was a little skeptical the larger diameter would engage with the drive gear, but some wiggling and twisting on the output shaft got everything in place and seated.
The slip yoke for 27 tooth output shaft and 1330 universal should be in this week. I’ll post up some pics when I have that in hand.
Getting closer...

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1414603 Wed Jun 23 2021 12:57 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
Picked up the slip yoke today. A little pricey at $115, but ya gotta pay to play.
Spicer PN 2-3-12081X. I test fit the shifter to the tranny this weekend, it was all good.

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1414843 Fri Jun 25 2021 02:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
I knocked out the last jobs before I start the swap; to drill out the top mounting holes for the 1/2-13 bolts to fit thru. Then I tapped the lower holes for 1/2-13 Helicoils as the lower bolts insert from inside the bell housing into tapped holes on the trans.

Then drove to a friends place, he’ll be helping me out. I should be digging into it tomorrow night after work.

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415020 Sat Jun 26 2021 07:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
An update, good progress on the trans swap in the truck today. Old one pulled out, new 5 speed in place.
It all went very smooth. The input shaft fit was perfect, no shortening needed on the tip. Splines fit the clutch correctly, clutch movement and feel were normal. All the mounting bolt holes in the bell housing lined up with the T5. Existing speedo cable fit right up.

I dropped off the driveshaft at local shop for shortening. Have to cut the floor for the shifter, install the shifter interior boot, remove some overdrive wiring and the 3 speed linkage and shift lever. Will knock that out tomorrow. Should be all back together and driving by next weekend. Crossing my fingers the job will wrap up as smoothly as it went today.

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415050 Sun Jun 27 2021 12:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,175
L
'Bolter
With the flat tines on the pressure plate, did you use the taller style release bearing?

Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415058 Sun Jun 27 2021 01:56 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
I don’t know. I used what was in place already. That bearing isn’t very old, I had all that stuff replaced 3-4 years ago so it doesn’t need changing. I guess a tall one is in there, pedal travel and feel seem normal.


'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415060 Sun Jun 27 2021 02:00 AM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,175
L
'Bolter
You have the correct one in there.

Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415136 Sun Jun 27 2021 11:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
I worked on interior tasks today. I figured the floor access panel had never been removed before so the clutch head screws would fight me the whole way. I gave them a couple shots of penetrating oil leading up to removal so that helped. There were only 2 that were a bit troublesome but they gave in with some hammer persuasion. I wish I had the forethought to have ordered a new gasket for between the panel and floor ahead of time. LMC has them, but I’ll try my local NAPA tomorrow and see if they can bring one in this week.

Using the magic marker lines scribbled around the shifter box from underneath, I drilled some starter holes on the corners and saber sawed the opening for the shifter. Then wire brushed the panel and put down some paint, and did a test fit after it had dried enough to handle and it looks good.

Also test fit the shifter handle and worked the gears a little. Maybe I should have gone with a straight shifter handle, we’ll see if the bend at the top will send the knob into the bench seat. It feels nice and precise, and will probably improve with ATF in it and some miles.

It’s back to work tomorrow so progress will take a breather, more to come though.

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
Re: My 59 3100 and T5 Swap
Moonlight #1415375 Wed Jun 30 2021 01:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 60
M
'Bolter
Installed the drive shaft tonight, it was shortened 3-1/8” to 50-3/8” universal center to center. My local shop charged $240 for shortening, installed new universals front and rear and balancing. Seems pretty fair to me and they gave it a fresh coat of paint to boot.

I then poured in not quite 3 quarts of ATF in the T5, started the engine and let it idle. Listening for any squeals or grumbling, I didn’t pick up anything so I’m encouraged.

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'59 Apache
‘21 Beta 390RS
‘18 BMW R1200RT
'12 Ford Flex
'13 Aprilia Tuono
‘11 Ducati Hypermotard
Salisbury, MD
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