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12 volt alternator with original starter
#1413076 Tue Jun 08 2021 11:22 AM
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'Bolter
Hello, I’m new here, and tried to search for an answer, but without success.
I have a 46 ute down here in Australia, with the original 216 engine.
It had a 12 volt battery installed when I bought it.
Some time back I changed the generator to an alternator and swapped the old starter for a new 12 volt one that matched the alternator.
I miss the old foot pedal start, and would like to put the old starter back in.
My question is how do I wire it up to the alternator, considering the old starter doesn’t have a solenoid.

Bob

Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413108 Tue Jun 08 2021 03:21 PM
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Hello Bob, welcome to the bolt. There are a couple other members "down under". Someone will come along in a bit to answer your questions.

Please introduce yourself in the welcome forum and post a couple pictures of your Ute.


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Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413137 Tue Jun 08 2021 05:28 PM
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Sir Searchalot
1. Starter has nothing to do with charging. The starter just turns the motor for starting and, in case of a 12V system, provides a "bypass" during start. To save points.
2. I assume you are keeping the 12V system. I.E. coil, battery, bulbs, Ballast resistor, etc....and points distributor.
3. The old 6V starter will work with the 12V system.

You will need to change the button on top of the starter to a "side terminal" type. The solenoid has a "R" terminal for bypass and the foot style uses the side terminal button. Click [classicparts.com]

The ballast resistor is used for a 12V conversion. It is used with a 12V coil that is externally resisted. If you have an internally resisted 12V coil, you don't need a ballast resistor or side terminal button. If you have any questions feel free to ask before installing anything. Also, I'll try to send you a PM (Private Message). I don't know if you can receive them as you are new. Guess not. Maybe moderator can advise.

Nice to see a fellow from Down Under. Greetings from Up Top.


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Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413188 Tue Jun 08 2021 10:03 PM
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'Bolter
Thanks Rusty Rod. I've added a post to the Welcome forum

Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bartamos #1413202 Tue Jun 08 2021 10:57 PM
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'Bolter
Hi bartamos,
When I first had a go at tidying up the previous owners 12 volt conversion, I purchased a a kit from Vintage Auto Garage, which included an alternator, coil, electronic ignition (to replace the points) and key switch starter motor.
I don't have a ballast resistor, so I assume the coil is handling that.
The alternator I have is a 2 wire, 10Si
White wire to the coil, and red wire to the solenoid.
I got that connected easy enough, and it has been working fine.

I now want to go back to the old starter (and foot pedal), but keep the alternator, coil and Pertronix ignition.

I think I'm answering my own question as I write this, but rather than blow anything up, I want to be sure.

Should that red wire now go directly to my old starter (along with the wire from the battery)

Thanks for any help.
As far as I can make out, I should be able to receive PMs.

Bob

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Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413241 Wed Jun 09 2021 02:43 AM
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I'm not sure about the Ute, but a USA stovebolt engine got a different flywheel ring gear as well as a different starter when the conversion to 12 volts was made. 6V flywheels have 139 teeth, and 12V flywheels have 168 teeth. Both starter drives have 9 teeth, but the angular pitch of the teeth, and possibly the diameter of the gear is different. A 12V starter running against a 6V flywheel makes a lot of noise, and both gears wear quickly due to an angular mismatch on the teeth.

I'd recommend going back to your 6V starter. It will work OK on 12 volts, as long as you don't keep the starter engaged for a long time. The choice of generator or alternator for battery charging won't make a difference about which starter to use.
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Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413243 Wed Jun 09 2021 02:48 AM
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Sir Searchalot
I thought Utes were New York kids?


Watch out for careful drivers!!!
I'm away on an ego trip. Will be back on Feb 30.
I'm not an Auto Mechanic, but I play one on TV.
I charge $0.02 for every opinion and I take Paypal.
Plan B is always better than plan A, by definition.
Sometimes no nonsense makes sense, in a sense.
You can't teach a new dog old tricks.
Honk if you're Amish


Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
Hotrod Lincoln #1413259 Wed Jun 09 2021 04:58 AM
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Hotrod Lincoln. Same engine, same mechanicals, just different body.
I am going back to the original starter. The 12 volt starter I have been using was supplied by Vintage Auto Garage and it's designed to fit the 139 teeth flywheel

Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bajintas #1413263 Wed Jun 09 2021 05:04 AM
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Sir Searchalot
We have several posts showing guys using a foot start pedal on a 12V solenoid starter. Basically they mount a big azz momentary switch that is operated by the pedal and sends power to the solenoid. Of course, the linkage and spring is not used. But it has the look and feel of the old foot start.


Watch out for careful drivers!!!
I'm away on an ego trip. Will be back on Feb 30.
I'm not an Auto Mechanic, but I play one on TV.
I charge $0.02 for every opinion and I take Paypal.
Plan B is always better than plan A, by definition.
Sometimes no nonsense makes sense, in a sense.
You can't teach a new dog old tricks.
Honk if you're Amish


Re: 12 volt alternator with original starter
bartamos #1413264 Wed Jun 09 2021 05:14 AM
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Posts: 11
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'Bolter
bartamos I did reply to your post, but I guess it's still waiting for moderation.
Utes, short for Utility, seem to be a bit misunderstood
Unlike a pickup, where the cab and the tub are two separate pieces, a ute is all one piece

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