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Suggest Avoiding "new" Distributors
#1410347 Tue May 18 2021 06:45 PM
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HFfarms Offline OP
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I did a quick search and didn't see an active thread on this.

Rebuilt the 292 last year. The teardown indicated that the engine had turned over 200k+ so I opted to replace everything for new including distributor. Opted for points because I am stubborn and wanted to learn them inside and out. Among many things I purchased from Classic Parts was a brand new 292 distributor with vac advance for a stock replacement. Had everything tuned up great in September 2020 and started rolling the road.

I couldn't get more than 300miles on a points set though, which I attributed to the point physically slipping on the mounting plate (regardless of how tight I screwed them down). Every 2-3 weeks I was adjusting them again back to proper gap. Fast forward to May 2021. My final load of logs for the year and I had a real boggy engine with top end miss, indicative of points out of alignment. Pulled over, popped off the cap, turned the engine over to proper lobe orientation for point set, and found that I was out of usable adjustment. Limped 80mi home on out of spec points (with 4ton load) at 30-45mph while feathering the throttle. Ripped the top of the dizzy off the next day and found the culprit (see photos).

Whatever metal they used in manufacturing this dizzy is so beyond pathetic its frustrating. All the holes are wallowed out. As the hole size increased, the vac advance plate would shift backward on its pivot, closing the points gap, where I would then reset gap. This continued for 5k miles until there was no more adjustment left. Even the pin hole for the vacuum advance rod is shot. Further, some of the plastic components in this dizzy broke merely by me breathing on them too.

Grabbed the dizzy top plate from the original and swapped it over to the new dizzy base which solved the issue, but its just a band aid. Im still tracing a bad miss across all RPMs now. I HIGHLY advise steering well clear of any of these distributors from Classic Parts as they all seem to be from the same manufacturer. This particular one is WPS DST1612 from them. Pretty sad. The condition of this (which sees minimal wear) makes me second guess everything else (gear, shaft, etc etc).

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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410354 Tue May 18 2021 07:09 PM
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It is really difficult to find quality parts nowadays. Thanks for the heads-up on their lack of quality. It makes me wonder about other companies. I like Classic Industries, but their stuff may be just as bad when it comes to distributors. I know HotRodLincoln mentioned it in one of your other threads, have you considered going HEI?


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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410360 Tue May 18 2021 07:27 PM
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Often its better to rebuild the old parts then use these foreign after market parts. On the electrical parts like points, cond., & coils, get name brand parts from the local stores. I would not trust any of these HEI units sold at low prices. They know what their stuff is worth.
George.

Last edited by Wrenchbender Ret.; Tue May 18 2021 07:31 PM.

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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410362 Tue May 18 2021 07:31 PM
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'Bolter
There are two kinds of GM ignition parts- - - - -Delco-Remy and "WRONG". There are enough original equipment distributors on Ebay that I'd never even consider an offshore manufactured "clone". Get an OEM distributor and do whatever is necessary to put it in "as new" condition, using original equipment parts.

Or get an original equipment HEI.
Jerry


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The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
Wrenchbender Ret. #1410380 Tue May 18 2021 09:01 PM
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HFfarms Offline OP
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Originally Posted by DoubleDingo
It is really difficult to find quality parts nowadays. Thanks for the heads-up on their lack of quality. It makes me wonder about other companies. I like Classic Industries, but their stuff may be just as bad when it comes to distributors. I know HotRodLincoln mentioned it in one of your other threads, have you considered going HEI?


It is back on the table now and being researched. I have no desire to keep this dizzy in. If the top is wallowing and shaving, I no longer trust the drive gear or anything else. I have actually been disappointed by a couple of things I've bought from ClasssicParts now. Only took 14 months for the new rubbers I got to look as bad or worse than the ones I took off (gas filler neck grommet, gas filler next leaking fumes again, gas cap leaking fumes again, etc etc), and this girl is barn kept, away from weather and sun. Not a jab at CP, this just seems to be the shift across industry.

Originally Posted by Wrenchbender Ret.
Often its better to rebuild the old parts then use these foreign after market parts. On the electrical parts like points, cond., & coils, get name brand parts from the local stores. I would not trust any of these HEI units sold at low prices. They know what their stuff is worth.
George.

I only ran Delco or Blue Streak points/condenser and aside from having improper ballast resistor at first, never had issue. Im digging my bins now for all the old dizzy parts for a rebuild. I disassembled it to use it as an oil pump for priming the engine, just need to see if I can rebuild it as a stop gap solution now.

Originally Posted by Hotrod Lincoln
There are two kinds of GM ignition parts- - - - -Delco-Remy and "WRONG". There are enough original equipment distributors on Ebay that I'd never even consider an offshore manufactured "clone". Get an OEM distributor and do whatever is necessary to put it in "as new" condition, using original equipment parts.

Or get an original equipment HEI.
Jerry

I would agree 100%. I was younger and much dumber a year ago, so it is a hard lesson learned on my end that I take full responsibility for. Being a year later, a year smarter, and a year more experienced, I am currently researching on HEI with plans to plop one in. I've done points now, I fully understand them, I can appreciate them for what they are, and im ready to move on.

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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410382 Tue May 18 2021 09:09 PM
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If you buy Delco-Remy parts at your FLAPS, check the box over carefully with a strong magnifying glass! frown

New old stock from a quality vendor would be my suggestion on ignition parts.

Jon


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Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410411 Wed May 19 2021 01:18 AM
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'Bolter
That's why I specified "Delco-Remy", not AC Delco. They aren't the same by any means. There's no telling where AC Delco parts are made, or what quality (or lack of it) you're likely to get. Another long gone quality product is a new "Carter" fuel pump. At least they spell the name right on the box!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410416 Wed May 19 2021 02:51 AM
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'Bolter
The Standard/Blue Streak seem to be good quality. Thats what I put on my 72. I have some factory HEI units but I want to keep it original.
George


They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing.

1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne Super
Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410420 Wed May 19 2021 03:24 AM
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I would like to see vendors become more proactive in discontinuing products which are found to be junk by the consumer, but that is not as easy as it might seem.
Not everyone who gives them bad feedback knows what they are doing or what they are talking about.

Reaching out to sites like this one would be a big step in the right direction. I could personally provide any of the vendors a list of parts to either find a better source for manufacturing, or just flat out not offer the part at all.

Re: Suggest Avoiding ClassicParts Distributors
HFfarms #1410464 Wed May 19 2021 02:47 PM
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Stuff like this is what led to the "Alternative Condenser Project." You can see that as a sticky note at the top of the electric bay section. The condensers you get today are all made in China...unless you rely on a BSA for transportation. Those are made in India. From what I've seen, none of them are worth having. I understand the economy of things, and I understand back in the 40s through 70s they were cheap and meant to be changed with each points change. They were never meant to last long, but they were at least accurate when you got them. Not any more. Condensers are used less and less every year, but it doesn't mean they have to be junk produced rapidly with no apparent quality control. The "Alternative Condenser" has been designed to last for around 300,000 operating hours and made with one of the highest quality capacitors you can buy today. I'll be only a memory by then, but your condenser doesn't need to be.


Jon

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