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Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1399949 Thu Mar 04 2021 12:44 PM
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The most effective way to create an interference fit is a shrink fit as it is the least traumatic to the assembled joint. NO I am not recommending a shrink fit here but I am on board with HRL and Bartamos. Install with a hydraulic press as it is next on list as least traumatic and most robust assembly.
Take them to an automotive machine shop and have them pressed and swaged in.
What a better way to spend some of the upcoming stimulus check.
You get a safe assembly done right so You can sleep at night.
You stimulate the economy by providing a mom and pop shop with work.
Everybody that meets you on the road feels safe.
Just my thoughts.....


1951 Chevy 1/2 ton
Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1399996 Thu Mar 04 2021 07:40 PM
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Posts: 3,234
"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
And how many people are buying ARP bolts? Dorman, more than likely.


I started being an actual mechanic 36 years ago. Think I'll put in another 6. I think I need to renew my ASE Master Auto, Master Truck, Undercar Specialist, Truck Equipment Specialist, and CFC Certified Mobile Hydraulic Mechanic only 2 more times in that six years. But what do I know.


Sorry, didn't mean to share my actual real life experiences.

Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400000 Thu Mar 04 2021 07:48 PM
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Sir Searchalot
The best way is Mark's and Hot Rod Jerry's way. Press in.

If you are breaking studs doing any other way, buy a better stud.
Dorman Chinese metal no good for safety related items. As has been proven here.

The Lisle installer has a full 5 star rating with 1838 ratings on Amazon. That could mean no broken studs. This is the draw-in method.

I have some real world experience also:
Mechanical Design Engineer, Honeywell Flight Systems Division. 31 years.
Senior DIY instructor, Shade Tree Mechanics Institute (STMI Cert.) 6 mo's, mutual separation.
Bunch of cars and trucks. Probably about 60 years.

My comment was NOT aimed at any particular person and said "Some folks". Sorry Mark. This is not worth losing a Stovebolt friend. Of course if you are a mechanic and have a press, you would use it. I was trying to explain to the average DIY'er like me a way to do it that works. Web links, strength of ARP, impact warning, ratings on Amazon, and my experience. Members can choose any option as I tried to say each time. Some folks break them off, some don't.


Watch out for careful drivers!!!
I'm away on an ego trip. Will be back on Feb 30.
I'm not an Auto Mechanic, but I play one on TV.
I charge $0.02 for every opinion and I take Paypal.
Plan B is always better than plan A, by definition.
You can't teach a new dog old tricks.


Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400031 Thu Mar 04 2021 10:34 PM
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I cant say I have ever pressed a stud in. If they are out in the open and accessible I use the 2 hammer method and if not then I use a lug nut with washers and grease or if I think of it I have a flat encloses bearing from a puller that I slip over the stud. Never had a issue or heard of anyone I kno have any issues. Im sure someone tripped walking into a parts store somewhere sometime in history but that dosent mean Im not gonna walk into one. 🤷‍♂️

Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400038 Thu Mar 04 2021 11:16 PM
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The broken studs that this thread started out discussing are in a set of front hubs, swaged into place, and they also secure the brake drum to the hub. I installed my first set of studs like that in the mid-1960's while replacing a worn out brake drum. I'd like to hide and watch someone do that little job without the specialized equipment required to cut the swaged part away, and another tool used with an air hammer to re-establish the swage to secure the new drum. I'll take notes- - - - -maybe I've been doing it wrong for over 60 years.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400052 Fri Mar 05 2021 12:19 AM
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"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
bartamos, I retract my surly-ness.

Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400068 Fri Mar 05 2021 02:02 AM
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Sir Searchalot
#MeToo


Watch out for careful drivers!!!
I'm away on an ego trip. Will be back on Feb 30.
I'm not an Auto Mechanic, but I play one on TV.
I charge $0.02 for every opinion and I take Paypal.
Plan B is always better than plan A, by definition.
You can't teach a new dog old tricks.


Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400074 Fri Mar 05 2021 04:24 AM
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'Bolter
During the past 15 years I have investigated at least 30 "lost wheel" claims against so-called "professional" shops such as Firestone, Goodyear, Walmart, "Budget Brakes", "Tires Plus", a bunch of independent shops, and quite a few car dealerships. A noticeable number of them involved obviously overtorqued lug nuts which resulted in broken-off studs due to stretching of the threads. Most of these situations resulted in serious body damage to the vehicle involved. Some of them totaled the vehicle, and/or resulted in injury to the driver, passengers, or innocent people who just happened to get in the way of the runaway wheel. I've briefed attorneys on the type of questions to ask me in the event I'm called upon to be an expert witness in litigation. So far, nobody has wanted me to take the witness stand and explain the mechanical malpractice that results in the loss of a wheel. Several very large damage settlements were made in lieu of a trial.

If anyone chooses to install a wheel stud by pulling it into place with a nut, PLEASE use a torque wrench and do not exceed the recommended torque that would normally be used to install a wheel. On the 7/16-20 lug studs used on a lot of vintage stovebolts, that torque is less than 75 ft/lbs. On a 1/2"-20 stud, 100 ft/lbs. is a pretty good practical limit. Once a thread has been stretched beyond its "yield point", loosening the nut and retorquing it does not reverse the damage that has been done.

I've got a pretty thick skin- - - -I can handle a little ridicule, sarcasm, and mockery when I express some concern for my fellow stovebolters' safety, as well as that of the people who share the road with them, and the continued good condition of the vehicles they spend so much time and effort restoring.

Press on!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400077 Fri Mar 05 2021 04:55 AM
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Posts: 4,655
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Jerry speaks the truth about exceeding the torque on bolts anywhere.
Different class bolt ratings are there for a reason. Once they are stretched beyond the specks, the damage is done and can’t be reversed.
As a Maintenance Machinist in the Nuke industry, we were trained with live demonstrations, on how bolting will premature fail, if over torqued just one time.

Ever wonder why combo wrenches are shorter for smaller bolts?
You guessed it, to keep you from over torquing that size bolt.
Just Hand tight by a normal person will get it closes to the proper torque.

Don


Of all the things I've lost in my life, I miss my mind the most!

1967 GMC 9500 Fire Ladder Truck
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'46 2-Ton grain truck
'48 3/4-ton grain truck
'50 2-ton flatbed
'54 Pontiac Straight Eight
'70 American LaFrance pumper fire truck.
Re: what bolts can I use for replacement lug studs?
pan3lman #1400079 Fri Mar 05 2021 05:06 AM
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Another thought.
There is a reason a good tire shop will use a torque wrench when installing your new tires.
Then take you vehicle for a few mile ride and then retorque the lugs nuts.
Every once in a while a few nuts will tighten up some, with the same torque setting, after a drive.

Don

Last edited by 2-Ton; Fri Mar 05 2021 05:09 AM.

Of all the things I've lost in my life, I miss my mind the most!

1967 GMC 9500 Fire Ladder Truck
"The Flag Pole"
In the Stovebolt Gallery [stovebolt.com]
More pix on Photobucket [s893.photobucket.com]
'46 2-Ton grain truck
'48 3/4-ton grain truck
'50 2-ton flatbed
'54 Pontiac Straight Eight
'70 American LaFrance pumper fire truck.
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