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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1399085 Sat Feb 27 2021 03:37 AM
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20 Mercman Great family project,very lucky its already running more pictures please as you progress !

Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1399331 Sun Feb 28 2021 05:55 PM
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1956 6400 part 13

Thanks everyone for following and for the nice comments.

Well thankfully the weather has broken and I have had a chance to be outside more. It has been a busy week with a lot of family stuff getting my attention. I also was lucky enough to get my first covid shot! I had taken my mother and father in-laws to get their shots. I half joking asked the nurse if they didn't thaw out a few extra doses. Eventually she asked for some info and if I had any conditions. I have asthma. She said she would put me on the cancellation list. They call folks on the list if someone cancels so to not waste any doses. This was Thursday. On Friday, my wife and I were driving by and I was wondering how long it might take for a chance. Just then, my phone rang. "Can you get here in 15 minutes? " I can be there in 5! Yea!!!

On to the truck. I took the spindles in to the machine shop on Monday. Well, yesterday I still had not heard back, so I called. After a few moments,bhe said that he didn't have a good reason for them to not have been done, but they were not. They will be ready Monday. It was so nice to not have some lame excuse, just the truth. I wish more places were like that. I also was able to get the new brake hoses at NAPA. I had to go to a store about 25 miles away ad my local store said it was too old for them to look up. It ended up taking 4 trips to get the right ones, but again, I was very glad they were willing to help. It still added up to 200 miles, but that's how it goes.

Kevin and I pulled the rest of the front radiator, grille and radiator support off and began cleaning everything. I removed the manifolds and assessed the crack in the exhaust. I have a friend that I plan to weld it as he has a good amount of experience welding cast iron.

We also started to clean the engine, bell housing, and transmission, and get it ready for paint. We pulled the accessories off, gen, starter, distributor, oil filter etc. I have been working on getting the block and head clean. I plan to paint the engine, then remove the valve cover, tapper cover and oil pan and paint them on the bench. I want to inspect the oil pump screen anyway. I also showed Kevin how to install a distributor with a "disturbed" engine. He wants to learn these things.

When I get the king pins back together, and the new grease seals arrive, we plan to roll the chassis outside and pressure wash the residue on the frame and transmission. I think we have scraped 5 gallons of gunk off these areas. It is pretty clean, and I am going through brakleen like crazy. I now have almost all of the nook and crannies of the engine/transmission pretty well free of 65 years of residue. I scrubbed the engine down with lacquer thinner 3 times and have it very close to clean. There will be lots to keep busy with cleaning up the accessories and detailing them. We can also get the radiator support ready to paint.

So, all in all, progress. I have been working outside with just a short sleeve shirt. 45 degrees feels GREAT!

That's it for now, on to part 14

Steve

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1399729 Tue Mar 02 2021 06:53 PM
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I recently picked up three 6400's (1955 2nd Series, 1957 and a 1959). The 55 has a 235 and the 57 & 59 both have 261's. The later also have dump beds with 2 spd rear axles. I intend to do some of the same things as your father and son project (of course this will be a grandfather, son and grandson project). Each of them need extensive work on the cab, so we will be choosing which two will serve a foundations and which one will serve as parts. At least one of the two will retain the 235/261 , but one of them will end up getting a complete remake with a more modern engine, drivetrain and suspension. I have bought a collection of stovebolt engine parts over the past few weeks and one of the 261's will end up in a special project that will be hauled around by one of the trucks (most likely the one running the 261). Our project will start as soon as my new shop is up (and the wife's new bedroom bathroom project is complete...). Can't wait to get started on my own, so I will have to keep an eye on yours until then.

Regards,
Rodney in NC

Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1399734 Tue Mar 02 2021 07:35 PM
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Welcome to the Stovebolt Rodney! It sounds like you guys will have some fun projects to work on. Be sure to start your own thread in the Project Journals once you get things moving forward. Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck,


Andy

His: 1947 Chevrolet 3104 [flic.kr]
Hers: 2008 American Saddlebred [flic.kr]

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1399974 Thu Mar 04 2021 04:38 PM
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1956 6400 part 14

Well I can say that this is probably the first time that I have welcomed the warm up and melting of our snow pack. I have always loved snow and winter in general, but I really want to make progress on Kevin's truck so go ahead and melt away!

We have made some good progress in the last few days. Again, more cleaning and scraping crud from the frame and transmission. Two other things, the post office found my lost set of king pins, and the machine shop finished reamung the king pin bushings I put in the spindles. ($103.00 for sizing the two spindels.) They did a nice job, and the pins fit really nice. I do wish I had access to the reamers I used when I was a bus mechanic. It turned out that I actually purchased 1 1/2 sets of NOS repair kits. That was a good thing, as each kit was missing parts or had rustred items. I was able to get a nice set and fit with the combined sets. Kevin then had his first chance to fit then up and shim as needed. The backing plates, all cleaned up were reinstalled and now we just need the new felt grease seals to arrive to get the front wheels back on. There is a stiff spot in the steering gear. The unit had some old fairly heavy grease in it. It is pretty well thickened up over the years, so we added some 90-140 gear lubes to it. We ran it lock to lock several dozen times. There seems to be a wide range of opinions as to what "Steering gear lube" really is. In any case, the gear lube should help soften up the old grease so it can actually be changed a bit later. There is still a moderate stiff spot, but it is significantly less. BTW, it is definitely in the gear, not the new king pins.

So with that part waiting for the seals, yesterday I started to work on the left door. I used Classic Truck Parts smaller of the two inner door bottom patch panels and am very pleased with how it turned out. I removed the lower hinge bracket at the same time and straightened the area on the inside that was damaged. This morning I removed the glass and stripped all of the weather strip, and assorted window related items. I will start to fit up the new outer skin, and make the final repairs to the collision damage once I have the skin off and I have better access.

Enough typing for now, I have to get back to work.

Thanks for reading and for the comments!

Steve

On to part 15

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1400186 Sat Mar 06 2021 01:26 AM
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1956 6400 part 15

It has been a very busy last two days. I have been working in rebuilding the left door. In my last update I posted the repairs to the inside door bottom. Yesterday afternoon I went ahead and cut off the outer skin. This door had a lot of hidden damage. The inner front hinge side was pretty well bent up. I was able to get everything back to where I believe they should be.

With that repaired, I moved on to the lower hinge bracket. This part is not that accurate. The two small tack welds holding nuts for the hinge on were way too little. I am sure that they would have broken off very easily. Ti was also not bent or assembled correctly. I ended up cutting the 5 spot welds that held the two parts together and moved it to where it should be. I tacked the bracket in place and then mounted the door on the truck. Once I was sure that the bracket was OK, I welded it up fully. I then mounted it again. It turned out that the replacement cage nut that I installed for the upper left top hinge bolt was not going to work. In a previous post, I mentioned that this cage nut only allows 1/8" vs 1/4" adjustments. Kevin drilled out the welds and cleaned it up and moved it further out. We reinstalled the door and checked the fit. The fit is much better. Kevin then painted the inside of the door as well as the inside of the new outer skin.

I then started fitting up the new skin. I have it measured up, and it is the correct measurements. I then fit up the drain holes and welded the new skin on. I called it a day. 9 hours is enough! I only have a few photos to post today.

Tomorrow I will post some photos of the outer repair.

Steve

In to part 16

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1400239 Sat Mar 06 2021 03:57 PM
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Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
Hey Steve;

Great work, that turned out awesome!

The bottom of the door that you replaced went well, I had a hard time seeing where you spliced it together.

Nice work, and keep posting.
Steve


1946 Chev 1/2 ton - 6V/+ground/Bias-ply original - shake/Rattle and Roll! (SOLD)
1940 Chev 1/2 ton Franken/Restomod
Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1400242 Sat Mar 06 2021 04:34 PM
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Thanks Steve!

Here are a few more photos of the door. I am still not done with the welding, but the first pass has been ground off. A few more pin hole gaps to fill and add the spot welds to the pinch seams. I kept the butt weld fairly close to the body line to help avoid warping. I added some shots of the inside showing the drains and how the outer skin fits. All in all I can live with it.

Steve

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1400243 Sat Mar 06 2021 04:36 PM
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Continued:

Two shots of the outside.

Steve

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Re: 1956 6400. Father & Son project.
20Mercman #1400282 Sat Mar 06 2021 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian_guy
Hey Steve;

Great work, that turned out awesome!

The bottom of the door that you replaced went well, I had a hard time seeing where you spliced it together.

Nice work, and keep posting.
Steve


Coming from a guy with your kind of talent, that makes me feel pretty good.

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