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Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1375348 Sun Aug 30 2020 05:43 PM
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That's a slick repair on the heater opening, you really need to look close to see it.


Craig

Come,Bleed or Blister somethings got to give!!!
Q:"What yah runnin"
A:"3/8 drive Black and Decker aquarium pump motor" (the movie HOTROD)

59' Apache 31, long term project (30 years and counting)
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1376557 Wed Sep 09 2020 11:59 PM
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9/09/20: Over the past week I have been trying to tie up some loose ends in preparation of reinstalling the engine.

The block is still at the machine shop. The owner, a week after accepting the block, got a “Killer” deal on a crank grinder that was to be installed last week. He said because one journal only needed to be ground an additional three thousands, it would be best to do it on the new grinder. I agreed and now I’m hoping to hear about it soon.

I finally received all of the parts I needed, rebuild the transmission and gave it a nice coat of satin black ready to reinstall when the engine goes in. I replaced the input and main shaft bearings, the tail shaft bearing and retainer, tail shaft universal yoke, one of the shifting forks as well as all of the gaskets and seals. I follow a YouTube video (by jayhawker) to rebuild it and it made it easy. The tail of the tranny was slightly different but everything else was spot on. It feels so much smoother and sounds so much better, I totally expect it to silence the transmission noise I had when the clutch was out and the tranny was in neutral. I’m also hoping that some of the transmission whine is gone.

I also wanted to relocate the horn relay, the headlight relays to better locations and accomplished that task. I also relocated the ballast resister to get it off of the coil it was previously mounted to.

I’ve been wanting to fix a leaky drivers side axle seal that I discovered in the spring of 2019, that leaked all over the brake shoes. During that time, I was wintering in South Carolina and didn’t have the tools to accomplish pulling the axles, so I cleaned up the shoes, reinstalled them until I got back to NY. Since, I have been repairing higher priority stuff and was not able to get to the brakes. Since I’m still waiting on the engine, I pulled the rear drums, brakes, axles and the axle bearings and seals. I didn’t expect any issues as the axles didn’t have any slop. I was surprised to find both axles had corrosion on where the bearings ride and on the seal area necessitating replacement.

Now to find the axles.

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Last edited by Phak1; Thu Sep 10 2020 12:02 AM.

Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1376609 Thu Sep 10 2020 12:22 PM
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Do you think the axle will polish out? I may be worth the effort as long as you don't remove to much material.


Craig

Come,Bleed or Blister somethings got to give!!!
Q:"What yah runnin"
A:"3/8 drive Black and Decker aquarium pump motor" (the movie HOTROD)

59' Apache 31, long term project (30 years and counting)
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1376613 Thu Sep 10 2020 12:47 PM
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Not a chance. If it was just the seal area, reducing that a few thousands may work with a new neoprene seal, but its also where the bearing rides. I can't take anything off of that.


Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1378269 Thu Sep 24 2020 12:25 AM
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9/23/20:: Over the past few weeks I’ve been cleaning, taking dents and dings out of the sheet metal parts, getting ready for the return of the engine that is still at the machine shop. The news on the engine is not good. Basically they need to re-machine the entire block taking the journals out to the next oversized bearing. That includes the main, rod and cam journals. During the last engine rebuild (two PO’s ago), that has only about 200 miles on it, the shop never properly cleaned the block, so particles dislodged and ran thru the bearings scoring most of the bearings. That was in addition to the poor machining that was done. I elected to have them assemble the block so all I will have to do is put on the head, the sheet metal and the rest of the components.

Today, I wanted to feel like I accomplished something on the truck so I installed a new top cowl drain hose and hood to cowl seals along with new hardware.

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Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1381087 Sat Oct 17 2020 12:36 AM
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10/16/20:: Over the past few weeks, I have been trying to resolve the rear axle issue. I haven’t had any luck in finding any axles in good shape, so I’ve been exploring my options. I found that some Buick’s use the same bearing that my ‘52 3100 use but in addition they use an inner sleeve that gets pressed on to the axle. I ordered two of these sleeves and I’m working on machining the axles to accept those sleeves. I’m optimistic that this sleeve will work on our axles. There is another thread on this same subject that explains all of the details. LINK

The pictures show the before and after. I’m optimistic only because the sleeve was barely long enough to cover the area that both the bearing and the grease seal area the ride on, making locating the sleeve difficult. I’m pretty sure I have the location correct, but I won’t be sure until I reinstall the axles.

I also picked up my engine block today and ended up leaving the head for them to look at. Two of the pistons had evidence that an exhaust valve had made contact with the piston at one time. They popped the suspect valves out and found no issues. While I was there, they performed a leak down test and found a few valves were leaking, so I left it with them so they could clean, magnaflux and regrind the valve and seats. At this point, all I see is $$$ flying out the window! With all of this work I’ve been doing, hopefully will finally put the mechanical issues to bed! Only time will tell.

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Last edited by Phak1; Sat Oct 17 2020 12:40 AM.

Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1381177 Sat Oct 17 2020 04:16 PM
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Reading through your posts, man you ripped that can of worms wide open!
Good choice though, I would hate to waste all that time, effort and $$’s.
The research you must have done on the valve train to figure out the various pieces, jeesh!
The firewall repairs look good, nice work.

Keep posting, I am very interested to hear how it all comes together.
Steve


1946 Chev 1/2 ton - 6V/+ground/Bias-ply original - shake/Rattle and Roll!
1940 Chev 1/2 ton Franken/Restomod
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1381206 Sat Oct 17 2020 10:12 PM
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Thanks, and you’re right, it was a can of worms. Unfortunately, I really didn’t have much choice. Like many of our fellow bolters, I’m trying to restore a 68 year old truck back to a reliable status that has been cobbed together by PO’s that owned a hammer and an adjustable wrench, and actually called themselves mechanics.

The biggest shocker was that engine was rebuilt by a supposedly reliable engine shop (and I have 1,800 dollars of receipts by a PO to prove it), and it would not hold oil pressure. I tracked down and spoke to the owner that had the engine rebuilt and he said that right after he got it back, a main bearing froze up. He removed the engine, sent it back to the shop for them to fix it. After reinstalling, the engine oil pressure would drop to less than 5 lbs when it got hot. The poor guy didn’t have a mechanical aptitude, so he hired somebody to do the work. After the low oil pressure issue, he gave up, the truck sat in a shed in his back yard for five years, then he sold the truck. I spent over a year trying to diagnose the issue hoping for an easy fix. When I finally gave up trying to fix the problem with the engine still in the truck, I discovered the fix the shop had done. They added .010” worth of shims to every main bearing cap, so its no wonder why it was dropping pressure. The work was so sub par, that I had to have the entire engine re-machined by a reliable shop.

Hopefully when I finally get the engine and drivetrain reinstalled, I will have a reliable truck. Thanks again for your interest and support!


Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1381618 Wed Oct 21 2020 02:16 AM
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10/20/20 I finished machining the drivers side axle and pressed on the sleeve. I also temporarily installed both axles and it looks like the replacement sleeves are going to work.

I was able to complete this job in about two hours, a considerably shorter time it took to machine the first axle.

I searched for new gaskets that get installed between the inside of the axle flange and the grease deflector and only found them for 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Fortunately, its not a high tech gasket and is easily reproduced using 1/32” paper gasket material. After making the gaskets, I used coppercoat gasket sealer on both sides, then assembled the axle assembly by pressing in the axle studs with my 20 ton press. I finished by giving the flange end of the axle a nice coat of satin black. All ready to reinstall!

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Phil

1952 Chevrolet 3100
Project Journals
‘59 235 & hydraulic lifters
“Three on the Tree” & 4:11 torque tube
12v w/ Alternator
Re: 1952’ Chevrolet 3100 Project
Phak1 #1381642 Wed Oct 21 2020 12:07 PM
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Some very creative solutions to your problem. I am seriously jealous of your machine skills. I worked at a small machine shop in High School run by an old Russian man. He was one of the biggest influences in my life and no doubt the best Boss I ever had. He retired and his son ran the business into the ground, he had no interest in seeing his fathers shop prosper. I often wish I had pursued that career field farther... You are doing some really great work.


Craig

Come,Bleed or Blister somethings got to give!!!
Q:"What yah runnin"
A:"3/8 drive Black and Decker aquarium pump motor" (the movie HOTROD)

59' Apache 31, long term project (30 years and counting)
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