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Brake drum gasket
#1377758 Sun Sep 20 2020 03:56 PM
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Refreshing the rear brakes on my 1949 3800 -
There is a gasket that fits between the hub flange and the brake drum. Are these still available somewhere? I can't seem to find a name or identify them.

Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1377763 Sun Sep 20 2020 04:21 PM
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- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1377824 Mon Sep 21 2020 12:14 AM
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JP,

Brown paper grocery bags are perfect for making thin gaskets like that one. If you lay the piece of paper on a drum and tap the paper with a small hammer around the edges of the center hole, lug stud holes and retaining screw holes you will just have made a perfect gasket in about one minute.

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Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1382220 Mon Oct 26 2020 02:45 AM
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I purchased gasket paper at NAPA and cut them out.


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Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1382419 Tue Oct 27 2020 02:23 PM
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Why are they there in the first place? There's no way to seal the rotating gap between the drum and the backing plate, so gasketing the junction between the drum and the axle flange seems to be a fruitless effort!
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Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1382423 Tue Oct 27 2020 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotrod Lincoln
Why are they there in the first place? There's no way to seal the rotating gap between the drum and the backing plate, so gasketing the junction between the drum and the axle flange seems to be a fruitless effort!
Jerry
I am not looking for an argument, and, I am no expert.

GM shows/lists those paper gaskets in the Master Parts Catalog: in Group 6.819 GASKET Wheel Hub (front & rear).

My understanding is that the "gasket" paper was/is used to help avoid "rust weld" of the drum and the backing plate.


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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1383352 Tue Nov 03 2020 06:29 PM
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X2 ^ on the above post. There is another poster that is trying to get his drums off. If you do not use the gasket or some never seize the drum can actually freeze to the axle. The next time you will have a nightmare getting you drum off. The gasket is not really sealing any thing. It is more to prevent a bond.


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Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1383746 Sat Nov 07 2020 02:53 PM
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I just installed my drums on my ‘52 3100. (I know this post is about a 3800 but suspect it may still apply). I just went thru replacing axle oil seals and bearings. On the back side of the axle flange, is a stamped steel part called a oil deflector on the 3100 and called an oil slinger on the 3600/3800. The purpose of this deflector (on the 3100) is to catch and divert any axle fluid that weeps past the oil seal and direct it out a hole in the axle flange so it doesn’t contaminate the brake shoes. The brake drum also has that hole to pass any leakage to the outside of the drum. Without a gasket between the axle and the drum to create a seal, some of that fluid could potentially still get inside the drum.

EDIT: The pictures show the oil deflector, the hole thru the axle flange and the hole thru the drum and the gasket I made out of a brown paper bag. The drum has a tab that I assume if it was bent over would prevent you from installing the drum incorrectly blocking the weep hole.

Now I’ve never worked on a 3800 and do not claim to be an expert, but the “49 - 51 Chevrolet Truck Shop Manual” shows that gasket and states the importance of insuring a seal between the drum and hub by replacing it with new, but stops short on telling you the reason why.

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Re: Brake drum gasket
JP3800 #1384438 Sat Nov 14 2020 12:05 AM
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I left said gasket off my 3800 HO72 axle on one side but kept i on the other. The side with the gasket suffered a hub-seal failure and I noticed oil leaking onto the outside of the alloy wheel through the decorative/cooling holes. I pulled it all apart and the reason for the gasket quickly became apparent. There are holes in the hub that line up with holes in the drum. These holes had ducted the oil to the outside of the drum where it runs through a little channel to the inside of the wheel. Without the gasket, it would have leaked into the brake assembly ruining the shoes.

I fixed the leak and pulled the other side apart and installed a home-made gasket. Some axles have a sheet-metal dish under the wheel cylinders that will catch and duct any leaking brake fluid out through a hole in the backing plate; not HO52/72 axles unfortunately.


51 3800 PU, 55 235 (w/cam, headers, 2 carbs, MSD ign.), SM420 & Brown-Lipe 6231A 3spd aux. trans, stock axles & brakes. Owned since 1971.

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