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Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
#1377609 Sat Sep 19 2020 03:42 AM
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Had an experienced Glass Shop come to the house to install a new windshield and back glass on my 1954 Chevy 3604 today. The Steele Rubber windshield gasket fit the glass perfectly per the "glass guy" but they could not get it installed. He took measurements and said the glass was about 1/4" too tall for the window opening. The original glass and gasket appeared to fit very well with only issue being a crack in the center top to bottom. Unfortunately I trashed it before getting the new glass. I purchased the glass from a well known supplier. So, I've done some research and cannot figure out the windshield opening dimensions using the information in the assembly manual section 1. I wanted to check to see if maybe something is off with the opening. Anyone have a simple diagram I can use for reference or the windshield dimensions? They installed the rear window in about 15 minutes. Go figure. Please share your advice, experience, knowledge , it would be appreciated. Thanks!


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377639 Sat Sep 19 2020 04:18 PM
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If the new rubber fit the glass perfectly then I don’t understand why the glass would not fit . Does the rubber fit the cab without the window ,


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Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377647 Sat Sep 19 2020 04:46 PM
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"He took measurements and said the glass was about 1/4" too tall for the window opening."

Is the window itself/alone taller than the opening?
If yes, you are in a bind (excuse the pun).

The seal + window is a very tight fit.

Presumably, the installer was using/pulling the "string-in-the rubber grove" trick/technique?


Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
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- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
KEVINSKI #1377695 Sun Sep 20 2020 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by KEVINSKI
If the new rubber fit the glass perfectly then I don’t understand why the glass would not fit . Does the rubber fit the cab without the window ,
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Yes, it fits the opening, goes over the pinch welds.


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377705 Sun Sep 20 2020 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tclederman
"He took measurements and said the glass was about 1/4" too tall for the window opening."

Is the window itself/alone taller than the opening? No
If yes, you are in a bind (excuse the pun).

The seal + window is a very tight fit.

Presumably, the installer was using/pulling the "string-in-the rubber grove" trick/technique?
yes

The window fits in the opening, Tim. But not much room around it. The "glass guy" said that the glass needed to have 1/4" space all around when placed into the opening. He ordered a glass from a manufacturer in Canada and is going to compare it to the glass I purchased from Classic Chevy (made in Taiwan).
The Original windshield was fine other than a crack down the middle from top to bottom and a couple of BB strikes. I never thought to keep the old glass when I removed it. I measured the cross section of the Steele Rubber window gasket and it measures .325" from the top of the base to the bottom of the window groove. At a 1/4 space all around it would compress the gasket .075". Does that sound right?


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377709 Sun Sep 20 2020 01:02 AM
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My 1954 windshields were very hard to replace.

They were quite tight.

We used a lot of unscented personal/body lubricant [walmart.com]. It is water-base - it can easily and completely washed off.

With one windshield, we used the optional (RPO) stainless-steel surround/insert. That was interesting/scary.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
tclederman #1377711 Sun Sep 20 2020 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tclederman
My 1954 windshields were very hard to replace.

They were quite tight.
We used a lot of non-scented personal/body lubricant.
Interesting, they used nothing....not soapy water spray or anything else. Wonder if I've chosen poorly?? Anyway it would be great if someone could tell me if they thought the 1/4 inch "gap" is required "all around" the glass if you centered it in the opening ?


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377713 Sun Sep 20 2020 01:13 AM
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Most soap is not good with rubber. It is hard to remove; and, supposedly it might degrade the natural rubber (over a period of time).

DO NOT USE SILICONE-based/containing LUBRICANT.

I did not want to offer this: I have a NORS GM 1954 windshield.
I did not want to take it out of the original shipping box.

Measure your windshield, top-to-bottom in the middle.
I will compare that measurement with my windshield.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
tclederman #1377720 Sun Sep 20 2020 01:47 AM
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Dusty53 Offline OP
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Originally Posted by tclederman
Most soap is not good with rubber. It is hard to remove; and, supposedly it might degrade the natural rubber (over a period of time).

DO NOT USE SILICONE-based/containing LUBRICANT.

I did not want to offer this: I have a NORS GM 1954 windshield.
I did not want to take it out of the original shipping box.

Measure your windshield, top-to-bottom in the middle.
I will compare that measurement with my windshield.
Tim, as soon as I can get it back I will, the "glass guy" took it with him to compare to the "windshield made in Canada". I can tell you the "opening" in the center of the cab where the glass would sit inside of is 15- 42/64" ( 15.656 "). Thanks for all your help Tim, I understand your reluctance to opening that box. With you having an original we can get to the bottom of this .


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: Windshield woes on 1954 Chevy 3604, help needed
Dusty53 #1377922 Mon Sep 21 2020 07:46 PM
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I have the windshield out of my Canadian 1314, that I kept as templates. Want me to measure those?


1950 Chevrolet Model 1314
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