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Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363827 Sun Jun 07 2020 02:32 PM
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John, you forgot about tow straps. They are also rated different like chain, cable and bolts.
Rope is also rated for different loads. Been running and inspecting cranes since I was 19.
From 1 ton to 260 ton.

You may also remember checking out the little 3/4" tow chain in the back of the F-250 at a past reunion.
Don

Edit: Did I ever tell you about the 100 ton kevlar strap I have. Yes, 40 foot, 100 ton rating with the fiber optic link going thru it?


Of all the things I've lost in my life, I miss my mind the most!

1967 GMC 9500 Fire Ladder Truck
"The Flag Pole"
In the Stovebolt Gallery [stovebolt.com]
More pix on Photobucket [s893.photobucket.com]
'46 2-Ton grain truck
'48 3/4-ton grain truck
'50 2-ton flatbed
'54 Pontiac Straight Eight
'70 American LaFrance pumper fire truck.
Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363846 Sun Jun 07 2020 05:19 PM
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I was lucky enough to attend the U.S.Army Vehicle Recovery Course at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. It was there I learned about cable and chain ratings, stresses associated with winching and the use of snatch blocks. I don't intend to place anyone's life in Harms Way. The Badlands winch I mentioned has proven to be a good unit, I don't in circumstances encourage going beyond it's rating. There are as John said way to many variables involved, no short cuts here... One additional factor that has been over looked here is batteries and charging system. I have a 12,000# Warn mounted on my 93' 4x4, that truck has dual interstate batteries(1100 CCA ) and a heavy 160 Amp alternator. The warn winch will draw a battery down quickly.


Craig

Come,Bleed or Blister somethings got to give!!!
Q:"What yah runnin"
A:"3/8 drive Black and Decker aquarium pump motor" (the movie HOTROD)

59' Apache 31, long term project (30 years and counting)
Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363858 Sun Jun 07 2020 06:49 PM
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Posts: 2,962
"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
I seem to remember something in my past about rigging.

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Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363859 Sun Jun 07 2020 07:01 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,962
"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
Yeah, that's me in those pictures.

As with any equipment, inspect it for defects often and before use. Do not use if bad. I don't care if it is HF or whatever. Seems like the better quality stuff out there isn't as good as the stuff in the old days. EVERYTHING has a rating! Know it, stay inside that rating! They don't rate straps, chains and cables just for giggles. It protects the manufacturer, but it also protects YOU!

These days, they let me stay close to the ground.

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Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363885 Sun Jun 07 2020 09:35 PM
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I agree Mark!, never overload a winch, hoist or crane past it's rated capacity.
Most bridge cranes will lift a lot more than they are rated for.
So pulling a 7,000# truck up a ramp with a 12,000# rated winch, should not be an issue.
Tires will also be inflated.
It will be way better than the 1 ton chain fall I used to load an M-37 Dodge on the trailer a few years ago.
It also had two complete Chevy 6's in the back.

My respect for linemen is right up there with our First Responders, LEO's and Military!
Don


Of all the things I've lost in my life, I miss my mind the most!

1967 GMC 9500 Fire Ladder Truck
"The Flag Pole"
In the Stovebolt Gallery [stovebolt.com]
More pix on Photobucket [s893.photobucket.com]
'46 2-Ton grain truck
'48 3/4-ton grain truck
'50 2-ton flatbed
'54 Pontiac Straight Eight
'70 American LaFrance pumper fire truck.
Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363928 Mon Jun 08 2020 02:07 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,962
"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
Most lineman are good guys. I did that for a few years then started fixing their trucks. Got another six or so to put in.

Speaking of chains, I had an employee about to lift a load overhead with some chain. I stopped him, then asked him a few questions. He had no answers. Things like, how heavy is your load, what is your chain rated at, etc. He knew the chains were rated, just not how much. I knew the weight of the load but made him go get some fiber slings that had the rating tag on them. Important stuff in my world especially if you're going to float heavy things over people's heads. That hard hat won't do much to save you.

Which reminded me of something else. Our guys used to grab lifting straps to use as tow straps. We had to make it clear to them that you never want to use a tow strap as a lifting strap as you never can tell what kind of shockload damage you have done to that strap. We eventually went out and got them specific tow straps for the field mechanic trucks.

Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1363934 Mon Jun 08 2020 02:56 AM
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We are way off topic, but since I started this thread, lets go with it and learn.

Lifting, rigging and crane operation is a serious business!
Been around it a long time. Didn't take me long to just over rig, and know it will hold.
If it is only 5,000#', rig to lift 20,000#!
Protect all corners, it don't have to be sharp to cut a strap.

All personnel lifting equipment is not to be used on anything else.
Plus a dry run with 150% of the personnel expected weight before the actual lift.

Good commuincation between the crane operator and signal man is key.
The signal man is the real operator. The rigger/signal man tells the operator how to move which way and how far.

The Polar Crane in the Reactor building was a challenge. It didn't go in a straight line. But spun in a circle.
I'm tired of typing and we'll see what the Grand Pooh Bear has to say tomorrow.

Don

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Of all the things I've lost in my life, I miss my mind the most!

1967 GMC 9500 Fire Ladder Truck
"The Flag Pole"
In the Stovebolt Gallery [stovebolt.com]
More pix on Photobucket [s893.photobucket.com]
'46 2-Ton grain truck
'48 3/4-ton grain truck
'50 2-ton flatbed
'54 Pontiac Straight Eight
'70 American LaFrance pumper fire truck.
Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1364282 Wed Jun 10 2020 05:09 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,728
Moderator - The Electrical Bay and Rocky Mountain Bolters
I have a cheap harbor freight winch... i prolly should hook it up instead of using a come-a-long.


Another quality post.


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Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1364305 Wed Jun 10 2020 12:18 PM
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Jack of all Trades, Master of None
When using a winch, especially on a heavy pull, drape a heavy coat or blanket draped over the center of the cable. This is a great way to reduce the danger of a snapped steel cable. If the cable snaps, it helps slow down the cable and pulls it down to the ground.

Last edited by Phak1; Wed Jun 10 2020 12:21 PM.

Phil

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Re: Trailer Winch?
2-Ton #1364334 Wed Jun 10 2020 05:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,962
"Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!!
Phil is right, you know. SOP at my company. I forget this stuff because at my location, we have very few opportunities for winch work.

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