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1959 Apache 235
#1352943 Thu Apr 02 2020 07:31 PM
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Hi, I installed a Pertronix Ignitor and a flamethrower coil on my 235 do I still need the wire from the foot starter to the coil? Thanks Steve

Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1352958 Thu Apr 02 2020 08:58 PM
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If you still have the resistor in the circuit, you will need the wire for a bypass.
George


They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing.

1956 Chevy 1/2-Ton Pickup

Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1352969 Thu Apr 02 2020 09:58 PM
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Try to provide more information in future posts.

1. Presumably you still have a 6v negative ground electrical system in your Chevrolet (?) truck?
Presumably you have a 6v negative ground Pertronix module (what part #)?

If both presumptions are correct, you do not need "the resistor".

What resistor, and, where is the resistor?

2. Possibly you have a 12v conversion negative ground electrical system?
Presumably you have a 12v negative ground Pertronix module (what part #)?

If both presumptions are correct, I think you do not need a resistor in the starting circuit.

I think that Pertronix has diagrams somewhere on their website?
I'll look for them after you clarify what you have - or, you could look for them on Pertronix's website.

If I am incorrect/incomplete, someone will correct/clarify.

This Installation Manual might help [pertronix.com]- but, I cannot read it.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: 1959 Apache 235
Wrenchbender Ret. #1352970 Thu Apr 02 2020 10:09 PM
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ace skiver
Originally Posted by Wrenchbender Ret.
If you still have the resistor in the circuit, you will need the wire for a bypass.
George

For George & Steve: what resistor, and, where?

I have seen/read-about "ballast wires" between the ignition switch to the coil;
and, I have seen ballasts resistors in the lead from ignition to the coil;
and, I have seen "ballasted" coils (VW, I think)?


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: 1959 Apache 235
tclederman #1353065 Fri Apr 03 2020 11:50 AM
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Hi, motor is a 1959 235 12 volt neg ground with the voltage regulator still there on the fire wall. I will look for the part number on the Pertronix today I could not find any info about the wire from the foot starter to the coil on the pertronix site but will do some more digging . Thank you all for the response. I don't have the wire from foot starter to coil hooked up a little slow cranking at first before motor starts.

Last edited by Steve1940; Fri Apr 03 2020 11:57 AM.
Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1353099 Fri Apr 03 2020 02:30 PM
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The resistor on that model is a ceramic unit on the outside of the firewall near the v.reg. & horn relay. Read the directions on the Petronix carefully. Some combinations use a resistor in the circuit & some don't. It is important to get the right setup. The last one I had was a 56 I put Petronix on. I used the resistor. It worked fine, started instantly but I accidently left the key on without the engine running one time when I was testing lights. Over night it blew the coil wide open.

George


They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing.

1956 Chevy 1/2-Ton Pickup

Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1353196 Sat Apr 04 2020 12:02 AM
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Hi, No resistor on the firewall at all looks like there never was one mounted. Tim it is a 1168LS and a 3.0 flame thrower coil. I will do some more research on this. I am not to good with the electrical stuff but I am learning. I will call the tech department on Monday. Again thanks for the help.

Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1353209 Sat Apr 04 2020 12:37 AM
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Posts: 30,161
ace skiver
That is a 12v negative ground unit.

No ballast resistor is needed.

Installation Instructions [manualshelf.com]
(scroll down for full size pages)


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1353228 Sat Apr 04 2020 01:56 AM
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With Pertronix, when you use their Flamethrower coil, you do not need a ballast resistor or the wire from side terminal. Positive coil terminal gets Pertronix red and ignition "ON". Two wires.


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Re: 1959 Apache 235
Steve1940 #1353232 Sat Apr 04 2020 02:17 AM
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Shop Shark
Ditto. No resistor needed. But do make sure you are using the right coil. Some pentronix ignitions used 3.0 coils, some used 1.5 coils. Besides that easy peasy. And if you leave the key on. Yep coil will fry.

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