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Engines to stay clear of?
#1340791 Tue Jan 07 2020 12:48 AM
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From what I have been reading, engines that I may want to stay clear of are 265, 305, 216 and 235 with mechanical lifters. Is this the case? I’ve seen some early model chevy’s with a 305 and 4 SPD w/ granny gear that seen better suited for towing and pulling rather than driving on the highway. Any true to this? Thanks

Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340796 Tue Jan 07 2020 12:58 AM
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Nope, they're all good engines. The GMC 305 will pull stumps, and it has trouble passing a gas station, but the rear end ratio, not the basic engine is most likely to cause the really bad fuel mileage. It's not altogether the engine's fault.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
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Babaganush #1340895 Tue Jan 07 2020 05:52 PM
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What have you been reading?


BC
1960 Chevy C10 driver 235 T5 3.73 dana 44
1949 GMC 250 project in waiting
1960 C60 pasture art
G.M dealer tech since 1980 & counting
Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340897 Tue Jan 07 2020 06:02 PM
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The only issues with 265, 216, 235 may be the ones with early oiling issues. There is a 305 V8 and a 305 V6. Nothing wrong with either. Mechanical lifters are a proven system.


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Babaganush #1340917 Tue Jan 07 2020 07:57 PM
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216-235 with low pressure oil system and Babbitt bearings ................would be on the avoid list if high speed cruising was the end goal.

4 speed with granny is pretty much useless in “normal everyday driving.”.........no matter the engine choice. Been discussed here many times. Granny 1st gear is great for parades.

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showkey #1340943 Tue Jan 07 2020 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by showkey
216-235 with low pressure oil system and Babbitt bearings ................would be on the avoid list if high speed cruising was the end goal.

4 speed with granny is pretty much useless in “normal everyday driving.”.........no matter the engine choice. Been discussed here many times. Granny 1st gear is great for parades.


How do you figure? You saying any transmission with a final ratio of 1 to 1 is useless? I will respectfully disagree.
The sm420 transmission is the stoutest truck transmission ever made, useless is a far cry away from the truth and as bold as you said it, I will say the complete opposite. See how long one of those saginaw 5 speeds will last in a 2 ton bigbolt.

Last edited by sstock; Tue Jan 07 2020 10:52 PM.

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Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340946 Tue Jan 07 2020 11:08 PM
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Every last one of them were the toast of the town when they came out. When they came out, I would have only avoided every other engine made except those listed (except maybe a Buick straight eight).
Chevrolet, buddy!
I currently am not in possession of a 216 in running condition, and it pains me deeply.
This thread has inspired me to blow a bunch of money to rectify this situation, and rebuild the one which I currently have in storage.
I may just put it on a roll-around cart in my shop and start it up from time to time just to listen to the wonderful music which these masterpieces sing.
Carl

Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340949 Tue Jan 07 2020 11:17 PM
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Amen, Carl


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE [1954advance-design.com] - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340954 Tue Jan 07 2020 11:27 PM
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Carl, I'm tinkering around with the idea of building a "216" that's actually got 266 cubic inches, has 9:1 compression, replaceable rod bearings, 30+ PSI oil pressure at hot idle, and doesn't leak oil out of the bellhousing. It's also going to be impossible for anyone to tell it's not bone-stock original! I'd love to build up a demonstration rig with my bellhousing dyno on a trailer and haul an engine like that around to various car shows, antique vehicle meets, etc.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Engines to stay clear of?
Babaganush #1340955 Tue Jan 07 2020 11:33 PM
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Well, Jerry

I think your project is a superb idea.

However, anyone would be able to see that it is not bone-stock-original 216: it won’t be leaving oil spots on the ground - the marks of a low-pressure stovebolt.
dang


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE [1954advance-design.com] - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
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