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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1337523 Fri Dec 13 2019 06:52 PM
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I just finished removing the plugs and it turned over much faster. I am draining the oil now. should I still use the Kroil down the spark plug holes?


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1337669 Sat Dec 14 2019 09:19 PM
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If you can't turn the engine over with the spark plugs removed by grabbing a fan blade (with a properly tightened fan belt) it probably needs more lubrication in the cylinders. Get the rings well-lubed and spinning freely before going any further.
Jerry


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The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1337675 Sat Dec 14 2019 10:56 PM
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Wrench Fetcher
thanks jerry.


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1337744 Sun Dec 15 2019 05:36 PM
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Wrench Fetcher
by grabbing the fan blade I can get it to turn over.


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1337752 Sun Dec 15 2019 06:43 PM
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Boltergeist
In that case, you should get plenty of cranking RPM with a good 6 volt starter, battery, and properly routed cables. Maybe you're expecting too much in the way of cranking speed? While the plugs are out, try a compression test. If it's got at least 70-80 PSI on all cylinders, it should start and run. 100+ compression pressure is better, but not really necessary. a 6.5:1 compression ratio engine would have 95 PSI of compression pressure at seal level if it was 100% efficient with no ring or valve leakage, something that's virtually impossible to accomplish. As long as all the cylinders are within 5-10% of each other on compression, the actual numbers aren't terribly important.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1338744 Sun Dec 22 2019 10:36 PM
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Wrench Fetcher
I did everything Jerry told me to do, ATF plus Kroil into the park plug holes, refilled oil with 5-30 , spun it a half dozen times with spark plug in (much much improved) , ignition off, then lug engaged the ignition, the starter seemed to much improved, after a couple tries it fired off. It is running- Jerry is a genius! I can't thank all of your for your help- till next time, I hope I don't jinx myself by writing the note- Merry Christmas stovebolters!!!!


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1338745 Sun Dec 22 2019 10:37 PM
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Wrench Fetcher
I really think the key was the Kroil mixture, leave it for 3 days, then refill with lighter oil.


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1338750 Sun Dec 22 2019 11:11 PM
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Boltergeist
"I love it when a plan comes together!" I seem to remember spending a couple of days at a homecoming a few years ago, working with a 235 that had sat unattended for several years. With a lot of work, and a little drill sergeant language at times, it finally fired off!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1338761 Mon Dec 23 2019 12:59 AM
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Awesome. I love it when my engine starts after I work on it.. I bet you learned a thing or three as well.


Another quality post.


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Re: 235 won't start
MontanaLee #1338766 Mon Dec 23 2019 01:31 AM
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Those special words do indeed make us feel better - we can believe they make a difference in getting them started.


Tim
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1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
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