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Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
#1337402 Thu Dec 12 2019 03:59 PM
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Having never torn down my '49 216, I found these Hagerty RedLine video's of a stovebolt rebuild very interesting. They are certainly not detailed enough to use for instructional purposes, but a good opportunity to see what the internals look like.

Video of 216 reassembly

There are other videos in this series that might be interesting:
Attempted first start after pulling from woods
216 teardown
216 in the machine shop


Last edited by Greg Brown; Thu Dec 12 2019 04:09 PM.

Greg Brown
'49 Chevy 3100
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337414 Thu Dec 12 2019 05:50 PM
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I've been watching every episode since they found the truck sitting in the weeds.


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261 / 4-speed / 4:11 / Commercial Red

Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337432 Thu Dec 12 2019 09:33 PM
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Wow, awesome! Thanks for posting that.


1953 3600 Pickup
1946 Fleetline Aerosedan
1950 Fleetine Deluxe w/ Powerglide
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337461 Fri Dec 13 2019 02:09 AM
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Thanks for the link. Great to see a lot of the parts I've been reading about. I suspect I'm like many here in that over the years I've built and rebuilt several engines from a Volve 164E, Triumph TR3, 40hp VW to several Mopars as well as Fords and a Chevrolet or two along with a few I'm just remembering. However my learning curve on Stovebolts has been and is still straight up. I did see a few things I'd do different on the video but all in all it was well worth the time. Lots of little tidbits of information dropped in the assembly process, nice to see the distributor and fuel totally disassembled for rebuild.

I'll spend more time on that channel for sure.

RonR


1951 3600 with Clark flatbed, T5, 4.10 rear
1970 340 Duster
1990 5.0 V8 Miata (1990 Mustang Gt Drivetrain)
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Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337467 Fri Dec 13 2019 02:33 AM
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I'd like to see some old-school Babbit rod fitting and oil clearance adjusting with shims- - - - - -this guy's using conversion rods and insert bearings!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337476 Fri Dec 13 2019 03:57 AM
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Jerry,

I seem to recall someone telling me about the babbit process. Am I right that the babbit is cast onto the rod journals, and then machined to spec?

We have auto engineering and auto tech programs at my university, and every so often I'll get some of those students in my principles economics classes. Once I had two great young guys who were auto students, really into cars, and we'd talk cars after class. I have 3 or 4 bars of babbit metal I bought at an estate auction, and I took one in and challenged the auto tech students to tell me what it was. They didn't know, of course (give them a break, they're only 20 years old), but I told them and explained as much as I knew about how babbit-lined bearings work. It was a good conversation and perhaps their only link to a bygone technology.

I found a video of the Redline guys getting their Model A rods and block babbited: here you go!
https://youtu.be/JBL0Y3_yQ7I


1953 3600 Pickup
1946 Fleetline Aerosedan
1950 Fleetine Deluxe w/ Powerglide
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337480 Fri Dec 13 2019 05:17 AM
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Actually, Chevy sort of pioneered a process called "Centri-Casting"- - - - (centrifugal casting) where the rod is heated and spun in a fixture with the rod journal at its center, and molten Babbit metal is sprayed into the spinning rod under pressure. Then it's machined to the size of the crankshaft journal, standard or undersize. It adheres to the rod like solder sticks to a wire connection or a piece of sheet metal when the temperature and fluxing is correct. Reconditioned rods usually didn't get that treatment- - - -most of them were simply poured with a mold like the Model A and T rods. I can usually tell an OEM rod from a recon because the reconditioned rods will have the entire bottom of the rod tinned so the molded-in Babbit will stick better. The OEM bearing material is also harder than woodpecker lips- - - -most recon rods have softer bearing material in them.

I've got a milling fixture that I built for my lathe that holds the rod on the carriage and uses a micrometer-adjust boring head in the spindle to cut the Babbit and a little of the steel out of the rod to fit a Massey-Ferguson tractor rod bearing. That bearing costs about $5.00 each, and is plentiful, compared to the very scarce and expensive conversion bearings the resto-ripoff places like Egge Machine sells. The downside is the journal size- - - -it's 1/16" smaller than a standard stovebolt rod bearing so the crankshaft has to be reground to fit the bearing. Even that can be an advantage- - - -a "worn out" .030" undersize 216 crankshaft can be salvaged and run with a standard size Perkins diesel (Massey-Ferguson) bearing.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337487 Fri Dec 13 2019 10:49 AM
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Thanks Tyler.


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Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337502 Fri Dec 13 2019 02:37 PM
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I am hooked on these Hagerty videos now! They're making me want to learn more and more about the rebuilding process and auto machining. My school has an auto tech program and I get free tuition--I just looked at the schedule for the Automotive Engines class (100 level, prereq for the 2-semester auto machining classes), but unfortunately it does not work with my teaching schedule. Dang!


1953 3600 Pickup
1946 Fleetline Aerosedan
1950 Fleetine Deluxe w/ Powerglide
Re: Hagerty RedLine Video of Stovebolt Rebuild
Greg Brown #1337562 Fri Dec 13 2019 11:52 PM
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I don't get the reason to paint the block underneath the side cover. Won't that area be smothered in oil?
I would be more worried about that paint letting go over time and gumming up the works.

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