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Is this the 235 to swap? #1334044 Sun Nov 17 2019 03:21 AM
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Tony292 Offline OP
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Is this 61 235 the good one to swap in place of a 1940 216? Seems like a good price.

Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334048 Sun Nov 17 2019 03:33 AM
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tclederman Offline
Boltergeist
Hard to determine.

A shiny "pig-in-poke"!

Glossy paint job, but, "The outside is cleaned and painted but i haven't done anything with the inside it ran when i took it apart to clean it."


Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 48 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334051 Sun Nov 17 2019 03:40 AM
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Hotrod Lincoln Offline
Boltergeist
That's what's known as a "rattle can rebuild". Basically, you're buying a paint job. The price is at least twice what I'd offer, possibly three times. Unless you can hear an engine run it's a "rebuildable core" and you should offer an appropriate price.

Pros:
61 is one of the most recent manufacture 235's- - - -they stopped installing them in either 61 or 62, depending on who you ask. It will have the 848 casting number cylinder head, which has a higher compression ratio than 56 and earlier engines. If it's out of a car, it's probably got hydraulic valve lifters. That can be good or bad, depending if the lifters work properly.

Cons:
The low-mount water pump won't work well with the 1940 radiator. The fan sits too low and might hit the lower radiator hose. You'll probably need to install a pump relocation plate to be able to use the 216 style water pump. Unless the owner is willing to provide the intake and exhaust manifolds, carburetor, generator, distributor and starter in the purchase price, you'll end up spending big bucks rounding up enough accessories to complete the project. That one's a $200.00 maximum engine in my neighborhood.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334052 Sun Nov 17 2019 04:43 AM
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sstock Offline
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We used to call them spray can rebuilds, beware of the engine that has had no work and looks shiny painted, should be considered to blow nice blue smoke. Unchecked engines should get no more than core value.

Last edited by sstock; Sun Nov 17 2019 04:44 AM.

1953 Chevrolet 3100
261 cu inch, sm420, 3.55 rear, omaha orange, still 6 volt, RPO green glass, side carrier spare, all done
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1964 GMC 1000
305 Big Block V6, sm420, the next cab off restoration
Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334061 Sun Nov 17 2019 06:22 AM
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52Carl Offline
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It sure is purty. Too bad the paint will be destroyed by the hot tank that your engine rebuilder will need to do before he rebuilds the engine for you.

Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334095 Sun Nov 17 2019 05:26 PM
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Shaffer's1950 Offline
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I bought one similar to this (Complete) for $250. Seller said it was .010 over ran good when pulled ect...I opened it up it was .080 over with very bad cylinder walls...unless you run it or open it it's like a Cracker Jack prize (Unknown). Luckily the carburetor, started & generator were good. Also the Intake/exhaust. The head was "848" and not cracked. Those were worth the $ but I was out a block.

Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334096 Sun Nov 17 2019 05:33 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln Offline
Boltergeist
That 80 over block would be a good candidate for six sleeves and a set of STD. bore pistons. I used to do that with "junk" racing blocks my competitors were throwing away. Eventually they figured out they were getting beat with their own discards! My students needed blocks to practice machining on, and the guys who sponsored my race engine building program appreciated the chance to get a race-prepared block at a bargain price!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334439 Wed Nov 20 2019 04:44 AM
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52Carl Offline
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Yep, and all you need is a $80,000.00 worth of machine equipment and tools (used prices), and a HRL to run the equipment, but I think they quit making those a long time ago. smile
Carl

Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: Tony292] #1334480 Wed Nov 20 2019 04:28 PM
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68ironhead Offline
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"had the exhaust manifold powder coated"...does he have the rest of the missing engine parts not in the photo?

Re: Is this the 235 to swap? [Re: 52Carl] #1334483 Wed Nov 20 2019 05:24 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln Offline
Boltergeist
Originally Posted by 52Carl
Yep, and all you need is a $80,000.00 worth of machine equipment and tools (used prices), and a HRL to run the equipment, but I think they quit making those a long time ago. smile
Carl


Hmmmm- - - - -I guess my $750.00 used Van Norman boring bar and a 3 lb. BFH to drive the sleeves in with won't make the cut. Please don't tell all those blocks I salvaged with that setup that they won't work- - - - - -I'd hate to have to give all those winnings back!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
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