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1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD #1321080 Thu Aug 08 2019 09:44 PM
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Fox Offline OP
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Could everyone who has a 47-53 please confirm for me that their tie rod ends are either male or female. I just got a set and they are female ended. They aren’t even close on thread size ether. All the trucks I’ve ever had are all male ended. And I’m a little mad right now and want to make sure my information is correct before I lose my blank on someone.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3TAbkvC9RKzcZbk16

Here’s what I’m dealing with.

Last edited by Fox; Thu Aug 08 2019 09:45 PM.

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Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321081 Thu Aug 08 2019 09:54 PM
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Justhorsenround Offline
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Not a tie rod end. Maybe a drag link end?


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Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321084 Thu Aug 08 2019 10:11 PM
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klhansen Offline
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Most of the male tie rod ends thread into a sleeve, which your new one looks to incorporate. The sleeve could be tossed and the female end screwed on to the tie rod. But if the thread size is wrong, I'd say you got the wrong ones. I'll check my truck when I get home.


Kevin
First car '29 Ford Special Coupe
#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321089 Thu Aug 08 2019 10:20 PM
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Fox Offline OP
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The new one is female threaded the whole way down. My original tie rod is female ended. The tie rod end is male threaded.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mE1BzWAmRh8rBJb46

I look forward to seeing what your truck has on it. I appreciate it, Kevin.

All the AD trucks I’ve had have had male threaded tie rod ends.


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1951 GMC 9430 1 ton dually—-Shiny!

1970 Chevrolet C10 - Grandpa’s- My first truck.—in progress to shiny
1972 Chevrolet C20- rusted
1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban—rusted.
1950 Chevrolet 1300- in progress to shiny.

Parts trucks-
1951 GMC 9300
1951-GMC 9430
1951- Chevrolet 1300
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321092 Thu Aug 08 2019 10:39 PM
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They sent you the wrong part. My tie rod ends look like your old one.


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Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321109 Fri Aug 09 2019 01:04 AM
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klhansen Offline
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My ends are female threaded, but they're the old spring loaded type with the big screwdriver slot. Both the tie rod and drag link.
Here's a pic.

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Kevin
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#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321112 Fri Aug 09 2019 01:19 AM
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tclederman Offline
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Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 48 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321131 Fri Aug 09 2019 02:25 AM
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Phak1 Offline
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My 52’ 3100 has adjustable socket type ends and the steering arms have the ball mounted to it.

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Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321143 Fri Aug 09 2019 02:53 AM
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Gord&Fran Offline
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Interesting. LMC Truck has the tie rod and tie rod ends that are the same as the one's in Tim's link and as found on Kevin's truck.

http://www.lmctruck.com/icatalog/ca/full.aspx?Page=84

BUT that is not what's on my truck. I have the tie rod ends and tie rod same as Fox has. Maybe Canadian truck were different in this case?


Gord
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1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Gord&Fran] #1321144 Fri Aug 09 2019 03:04 AM
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tclederman Offline
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Or, maybe the tie-rod ends have been changed to readily available "sealed" and non-adjustable/non-serviceable units.

My guess is that many have been changed ("upgraded") over the past 60+ years?


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 48 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321146 Fri Aug 09 2019 03:14 AM
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Gord&Fran Offline
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If you change the tie rods, you would have to change the tie rod too. I see in the LMC catalog that the '60 to '63 four wheel drive trucks have a similar setup as I have. (as far as tie rod and tie rod ends go)

It was a long time ago that I worked on the chassis, but I seem to remember wondering why my tie rod ends were different than what other people were talking about...


Gord
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1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321149 Fri Aug 09 2019 03:36 AM
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Fox Offline OP
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But if the ends have been changed, they must have changed the actual tie rod too. It seems weird also that the trucks I’ve had over these years have had the exact same parts. Something is screwy here, because I have never seen a female ended tie rod end on any of my trucks. My 1 ton has male ended tie rod ends too.

The steering arms on my truck don’t have the ball but the holes only.

I’m guessing as well like Gord, is this a Canadian thing?

Others please share what you have.

As always, I appreciate the help and input fellas.

Last edited by Fox; Fri Aug 09 2019 03:39 AM.

In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pictures here

1951 GMC 9430 1 ton dually—-Shiny!

1970 Chevrolet C10 - Grandpa’s- My first truck.—in progress to shiny
1972 Chevrolet C20- rusted
1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban—rusted.
1950 Chevrolet 1300- in progress to shiny.

Parts trucks-
1951 GMC 9300
1951-GMC 9430
1951- Chevrolet 1300
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: tclederman] #1321152 Fri Aug 09 2019 05:08 AM
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klhansen Offline
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That's so you can loosen the two clamp bolts and turn the tie rod to shorten/lengthen the tie rod overall length and adjust toe-in.
In the modern type that Fox posted, with male ends, there's usually a sleeve with left and right hand threads to accomplish the same purpose.

Last edited by klhansen; Fri Aug 09 2019 05:09 AM.

Kevin
First car '29 Ford Special Coupe
#2 - '29 Ford pickup restored from the ground up.
Newest Project - 51 Chevy 3100 work truck. Photos
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321156 Fri Aug 09 2019 10:01 AM
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Bill39568 Offline
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Originally Posted by Fox
But if the ends have been changed, they must have changed the actual tie rod too. It seems weird also that the trucks I’ve had over these years have had the exact same parts. Something is screwy here, because I have never seen a female ended tie rod end on any of my trucks. My 1 ton has male ended tie rod ends too.

The steering arms on my truck don’t have the ball but the holes only.

I’m guessing as well like Gord, is this a Canadian thing?

Others please share what you have.

As always, I appreciate the help and input fellas.


My Canadian 44 1/2 ton is exactly as yours is and it was driving me crazy to find new tie rod ends. Thought my steering arms were 3/4 ton since they didn’t have have the straight hole and were tapered to accept the screw in tapered ball stud. Let me know if you find the right tie rod end as I went thru specs of some manufacturers and couldn’t find one short enough.


44 Canadian chevy 1/2 ton
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321162 Fri Aug 09 2019 11:50 AM
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tclederman Offline
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The 1954 Canadian Chevrolet and GMC Maintenance Manual shows the "sealed" tie-rod ends, not the adjustable tie-rod ends used on USA light trucks.


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 48 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321178 Fri Aug 09 2019 02:09 PM
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Gord&Fran Offline
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Perhaps the Canadian 1/2 tons used the "heavier duty" tie rod ends as shown in figure 4 here:
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1954truck/54ctsm0303.html

Ordering tie rod ends for the (say) 1 tons should fit the 1/2 tons?


Gord
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1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321181 Fri Aug 09 2019 02:48 PM
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tclederman Offline
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They look to be the same, as Gord suggests.

Does anyone have a Canadian GM truck parts catalog?


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 48 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic - part of the family for 14 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: tclederman] #1321204 Fri Aug 09 2019 05:08 PM
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Bill39568 Offline
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Originally Posted by tclederman
They look to be the same, as Gord suggests.

Does anyone have a Canadian GM truck parts catalog?


I have a 42-56 and will check later and post if anyone wants. I remember looking up the part numbers and googling them and could find no images.

Last edited by Bill39568; Sat Aug 10 2019 05:12 PM. Reason: Wrong years posted

44 Canadian chevy 1/2 ton
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321325 Sat Aug 10 2019 02:45 PM
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Fox Offline OP
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Yes, please.


In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pictures here

1951 GMC 9430 1 ton dually—-Shiny!

1970 Chevrolet C10 - Grandpa’s- My first truck.—in progress to shiny
1972 Chevrolet C20- rusted
1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban—rusted.
1950 Chevrolet 1300- in progress to shiny.

Parts trucks-
1951 GMC 9300
1951-GMC 9430
1951- Chevrolet 1300
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321333 Sat Aug 10 2019 05:11 PM
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Bill39568 Offline
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So the book is 42-56 truck parts catalogue for Canada.

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Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321438 Sun Aug 11 2019 03:36 PM
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Fox Offline OP
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Thanks Bill. Can someone post a US equivalent picture of the same item? Then we can inform vendors that these parts are different on Canadian trucks?


In the Stovebolt Gallery
More pictures here

1951 GMC 9430 1 ton dually—-Shiny!

1970 Chevrolet C10 - Grandpa’s- My first truck.—in progress to shiny
1972 Chevrolet C20- rusted
1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban—rusted.
1950 Chevrolet 1300- in progress to shiny.

Parts trucks-
1951 GMC 9300
1951-GMC 9430
1951- Chevrolet 1300
Re: 1/2 ton tie rod ends for an AD [Re: Fox] #1321500 Mon Aug 12 2019 01:00 AM
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Dusty Offline
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Fox , I have this same issue with our New Zealand assembled Chev pickup . From Canadian parts . The thread is an odd size too .

On one of my trucks I just had to change every thing to the US style to get it finished .

(Then I found a local vendor with some old stock on the shelf ).
pic of size and pic of new item box part#


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